I actually am a physician who works alongside a number of oncologists, and a different dialogue occurs among physicians about this kind of thing, I think. Most of them don't have the time to investigate the potential scientific merit of alternative treatments...Some Oncologists do, by the way, and actually refer their patients to centers using RSO or pheonix tears (highly concentrated cannabis oil), or dedicate their resources to further research into THC and CBD as cancer treatments. Unless you are at one of the top institutions, however, it's simply not financially or legally possible to put together clinical trials with this kind of thing.
After exhaustive review of the pre-clinical studies on THC and CBD, and extensive scouring of these kind of message boards I really think there may be something to "Rick Simpson Oil." For one, the man posted a guide showing you how to make it and the rest is up to you. Whoever visits his site walks away with nothing more than a set of instructions, and has to figure out how to grow or obtain the cannabis themselves. There's no alterior motive there. No company, group, or man stands to make any monetary gain from lying about the success stories, and there have been a number of them. The most publicized story involves a woman from San Francisco (or san diego?) whose stage IV NSCLC went into complete remission with no evidence of cancer on follow up PET scans. Her oncologists were interviewed by local papers and admitted they hadn't seen anything like it. Tommy Chong has gone on multiple news networks claiming he used Pheonix tears monotherapy to cure his Prostate cancer. And finally, a PhD in pharmacology (whose name escapes me) has gone on record saying he chose to use it for his prostate cancer based on the research he's reviewed in the field of pharmacology on this matter.....and it worked for him too. In addition, I've seen a large number of posts mentioning "family members" who say it's worked, etc. Sure some of these accounts are likely bs, or coincidence. But you combine all of this with the preclinical data that's coming out on THC/CBD and cancer, and a VERY strong argument can be made that we are currently depriving cancer patients of a potential CURE.
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I would love to hear of any one treating themselves of multiple myeloma successfully with cannabis oil. Haven't heard of any one yet. Have heard of great success with it with other cancers.
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There was a recent study which concluded that CBD (a non-psychoactive cannabinoid) was very effective in fighting multiple myeloma:
"These results showed that CBD by itself or in synergy with BORT strongly inhibited growth, arrested cell cycle progression and induced multiple myeloma cells death by regulating the ERK, AKT and NF-?B pathways with major effects in TRPV2+ cells. These data provide a rationale for using CBD to increase the activity of proteasome inhibitors in multiple myeloma."
Morelli et al. The effects of cannabidiol and its synergism with bortezomib in multiple myeloma cell lines. A role for transient receptor potential vanilloid type-2. Int J Cancer. 2013.
"These results showed that CBD by itself or in synergy with BORT strongly inhibited growth, arrested cell cycle progression and induced multiple myeloma cells death by regulating the ERK, AKT and NF-?B pathways with major effects in TRPV2+ cells. These data provide a rationale for using CBD to increase the activity of proteasome inhibitors in multiple myeloma."
Morelli et al. The effects of cannabidiol and its synergism with bortezomib in multiple myeloma cell lines. A role for transient receptor potential vanilloid type-2. Int J Cancer. 2013.
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Re: Medical Cannabis Treatments?
I'm having images of the basement on "That 70's Show" flashing through my mind now! 
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Guitarnut - Name: Scott Hansgen
- Who do you know with myeloma?: Me
- When were you/they diagnosed?: Sept 2011
- Age at diagnosis: 47
Re: Medical Cannabis Treatments?
I am having images of a cure many are too miss because of medical politics.
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Here's an expanded version of the article:
Role of the Transient Receptor Potential Vanilloid-type2 Agonist Cannabidiol in Multiple Mieloma
http://www.pa2online.org/abstract/abstract.jsp?abid=31136&period=53
For those of you that weren't children of the 60's, do note that this study utilized cannabidiol (CBD), not Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC). THC is the psychoactive component of marijuana that gets one high.
You can find a lot of conflicting info on the web regarding just which of the two constituents (THC or CBD) is used as a "cancer cure". THC and THC-bearing products are regulated. Rick Simpson's Oil (aka RSO or Phoenix Tears) that has been referenced in earlier threads is THC-bearing.
Role of the Transient Receptor Potential Vanilloid-type2 Agonist Cannabidiol in Multiple Mieloma
http://www.pa2online.org/abstract/abstract.jsp?abid=31136&period=53
For those of you that weren't children of the 60's, do note that this study utilized cannabidiol (CBD), not Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC). THC is the psychoactive component of marijuana that gets one high.
You can find a lot of conflicting info on the web regarding just which of the two constituents (THC or CBD) is used as a "cancer cure". THC and THC-bearing products are regulated. Rick Simpson's Oil (aka RSO or Phoenix Tears) that has been referenced in earlier threads is THC-bearing.
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Multibilly - Name: Multibilly
- Who do you know with myeloma?: Me
- When were you/they diagnosed?: Smoldering, Nov, 2012
Re: Medical Cannabis Treatments?
Rick's oil is the one that is suppose to work with cancer. I don't know if it is true, but I have been told no one has died from cannabis over dose. I don't believe it should be regulated. It's all about money though.
If I could get hold of it I would try it. VA does allow it for medical purposes but the problem is convincing a doctor to write a prescription. You have to be near death and they write it to help with pain.
There is too much information out there of it helping cancer patients and curing them to regulate it.
Has any one use it? The oil that is?
If I could get hold of it I would try it. VA does allow it for medical purposes but the problem is convincing a doctor to write a prescription. You have to be near death and they write it to help with pain.
There is too much information out there of it helping cancer patients and curing them to regulate it.
Has any one use it? The oil that is?
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Sorry to hear it is so hard to acquire marijuana for legit medical purposes in Virginia. I live in Colorado. For the past few years, getting a prescription in Colorado for medical marijuana or any marijuana product has involved walking into any clinic with just about any complaint (i.e. my knee hurts or I have a headache) and you can then get a doc associated with that store to write you a script in less than 24 hours. And since January 1, you can now acquire any marijuana product without a script for recreational use, but it will cost you more than the exact same product acquired with a script. And, of course, you can now grow it here legally too.
I realize a lot has been written about RSO for cancer. RSO contains both CBD and THC. But the aforementioned Italian study was specific to multiple myeloma and utilized only CBD. I would therefore personally tend to lean towards the CBD-only approach if I were going to experiment with this approach, if only based on that one study. I know of no other testimonials or studies that show that THC or CBD has an impact specifically on multiple myeloma and all cancers are certainly not created equal. So, while RSO may have indeed helped some folks with cancer, I would want to know what it did for patients that specifically had multiple myeloma. Also, who is to say which of the constituents in RSO has helped a specific person with a specific cancer?
There is no arguing that marijuana is a great thing for nausea control and appetite issues related to cancer and cancer treatments. But I think most of us want to know whether one or more of its components can can actually help with the multiple myeloma cancer itself.
I personally believe that there will be more and more scientific studies on the use of CBD and THC for cancer treatment now that states are legalizing it and medical pundits like Sanjay Gupta are coming out in support of it.
I realize a lot has been written about RSO for cancer. RSO contains both CBD and THC. But the aforementioned Italian study was specific to multiple myeloma and utilized only CBD. I would therefore personally tend to lean towards the CBD-only approach if I were going to experiment with this approach, if only based on that one study. I know of no other testimonials or studies that show that THC or CBD has an impact specifically on multiple myeloma and all cancers are certainly not created equal. So, while RSO may have indeed helped some folks with cancer, I would want to know what it did for patients that specifically had multiple myeloma. Also, who is to say which of the constituents in RSO has helped a specific person with a specific cancer?
There is no arguing that marijuana is a great thing for nausea control and appetite issues related to cancer and cancer treatments. But I think most of us want to know whether one or more of its components can can actually help with the multiple myeloma cancer itself.
I personally believe that there will be more and more scientific studies on the use of CBD and THC for cancer treatment now that states are legalizing it and medical pundits like Sanjay Gupta are coming out in support of it.
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Multibilly - Name: Multibilly
- Who do you know with myeloma?: Me
- When were you/they diagnosed?: Smoldering, Nov, 2012
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The way I understand it is that the THC actually kills the cancer cells and the CBD helps the organs work better. So you have to have both. The CBD makes the body work better but not cure it.
You are not willing to try it Multibilly?
You are not willing to try it Multibilly?
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No, I'm not willing to try it without a lot more research. If I were to get serious about going down that path, I would first be communicating with the medical researchers to get their take on why they used CBD versus THC (or both) in a given situation for a given cancer (much like I did for curcumin, etc), and specifically for a blood cancer like multiple myeloma. Moreover, I just started fenofibrate and I want to see what results (if any) that will produce over the next few months. So, I obviously don't want to add something to my current regiment that would then make it impossible for me to figure out which of the two drugs may have had an impact on my numbers since my last lab test.
If I did ever get serious about pursuing RSO, I would also likely grow marijuana to make my own. It's not a cheap date to legally buy that much marijuana to make RSO. From what I've read, a pound of marijuana will yield about 2 ounces of RSO, and that would last you a few months? The lowest quality medical marijuana advertised for sale in Colorado is about $25 per 1/8th of an ounce (our newspaper ads in Colorado are just flooded with marijuana-for-sale ads). So that would be about $3,200 for a pound, plus taxes.
Lastly, I would have to think long and hard about taking THC, and on a daily basis to boot. I just can't see that fitting into my current lifestyle
If I did ever get serious about pursuing RSO, I would also likely grow marijuana to make my own. It's not a cheap date to legally buy that much marijuana to make RSO. From what I've read, a pound of marijuana will yield about 2 ounces of RSO, and that would last you a few months? The lowest quality medical marijuana advertised for sale in Colorado is about $25 per 1/8th of an ounce (our newspaper ads in Colorado are just flooded with marijuana-for-sale ads). So that would be about $3,200 for a pound, plus taxes.
Lastly, I would have to think long and hard about taking THC, and on a daily basis to boot. I just can't see that fitting into my current lifestyle
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Multibilly - Name: Multibilly
- Who do you know with myeloma?: Me
- When were you/they diagnosed?: Smoldering, Nov, 2012
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