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Re: Steve Mohr's Stem Cell Transplant

by Blackbird on Sat Jun 21, 2014 12:22 am

Steve,

Good to see that you are starting back up the other side of the recovery U (at least that is what it looked like to me). I was fortunate in that my nausea and diarrhea were mild compared to your symptoms. But, like this disease, we also all experience different responses to the treatment.

I had my SCT at University of Michigan hospital in Ann Arbor. Some, in this part of the great state of Ohio, would point to that as to the reason for our different experiences. ;) Personally, I have no preference for one school over the other. My choice was primarily based on the fact that I live within an hour of U of M which allowed me to go home for recovery after my stay in the hospital. I cannot complain about my treatment there. It was top notch and the staff was very attentive to any and all needs that I had.

I hope that the remainder of your recovery is smoother than what you have experienced thus far. You should start feeling a little bit better every day.

Rick

Blackbird
Name: Rick Crow
Who do you know with myeloma?: Me
When were you/they diagnosed?: Feb, 2013
Age at diagnosis: 53

Re: Steve Mohr's Stem Cell Transplant

by maryalice_w on Sat Jun 21, 2014 3:36 pm

Hi Steve,

I am ready to follow you in a few weeks. I go in July 1 for the stem cell removal and then the 9th and 11 are my next dates. I imagine I will be there all the rest of July.

I sure hope you are feeling better each day. I am prepared to face some really hard times, but know I will be better off for it in the long run.

Keep posting. It helps to know as much as possible so nothing will be a total surprise.

Wishing you all the best.

Mary Alice

(I met you once when you were getting Zometa.)

maryalice_w

Re: Steve Mohr's Stem Cell Transplant

by DanielR on Sat Jun 21, 2014 5:28 pm

Since we haven't heard from Steve since the 11th, I am assuming that his experience of his SCT is akin to mine: miserable. Someone else mentioned the nausea, but I don't feel like this symptom has been sufficiently emphasized. The nausea from the transplant process is bad enough in and of itself, but when combined with the IV food, it becomes God-awful. The IV food makes your urine reek!!! So every time I had to pee, which was constantly, the smell would make me retch anew. FYI, I am not someone who has ever been prone to nauseousness until this procedure.

The quick dissolve onsdansetron [Zofran] is great for mild nausea, but for what the transplant patient has to deal with for the first week or two post Transplant, only Ativan [lorazepam] is effective. Fortunately they will inject it directly through the Hickman port. I found that 1/2 doses on a more frequent basis worked best.

As bad as the nausea was, it was the diarrhea that was the most excruciating. They had warned me about the pending diarrhea but for the first 2-3 days post transplant I really didn't have any. I thought I was in the clear. The nurses warned me otherwise, but I really thought I would be the exception. Wrong! Be sure to ask for the medicated wipes when it starts!

My last warning is the low-bacteria diet they force you on. Just imagine normal hospital food. Now make it 10X worse. I found out that while I was enduring all of this that the children's floor for transplants was experimenting with letting them eat whatever they wanted. So look, I'm not necessarily recommending that anyone follow my example here, but by the 4th day I started having someone sneak outside food in; it was a Godsend! I wasn't unreasonable. I made sure it was food that was thoroughly cooked. I did admittedly gain some notoriety at COH when I got caught with the chili rellenos from an on-site vendor, but it was so worth it.

I just remembered another rather unpleasant aspect. They don't allow you to brush your teeth. So they give you these little cups of something that's supposed to help clean them. The problem is that it added significantly to the aforementioned nausea. Again, follow your own dictates, but I used a soft toothbrush I had managed to get past the "guards". I can't recommend it enough!

I know I'm not painting a very pretty picture here, but, I'm sorry, SCTs are not pleasant! Admittedly, it is worse for some people than others. I do wish someone had warned me about some of the above.

So, for anyone considering whether to get a SCT or not, be sure to read Dr. Berenson's work. He gets as good a response with a no transplant approach as do the clinics recommending 2 transplants within 30 days. I wish I had known about his research before I'd made my decision. I might still have decided to get the transplant, but, then again, I might not have.

I had responded miraculously well to the RVD protocol pre transplant. I actually do mean miraculous. I went from knocking on death's door with chromosome 17P deletion, IgG Kappa, and M-spikes all off the charts, combined with a massive systemic infection. None of my doctors expected me to live. That was December of 2012. Today I'm off all multiple myeloma meds. My RBC remains below normal, but everything else is within normal ranges.

Would I be in this place if I had decided against the transplant? Obviously I cannot know.

Best to Steve and all suffering with multiple myeloma, as well as their caregivers -- thank God for my wife!

DanielR
Name: Daniel Riebow
Who do you know with myeloma?: Self
When were you/they diagnosed?: 12/2012
Age at diagnosis: 59

Re: Steve Mohr's Stem Cell Transplant

by Beacon Staff on Sat Jun 21, 2014 6:30 pm

Thanks for sharing information about your stem cell transplant, Daniel.

Just to clarify, Steve did in fact post an update yesterday (June 20). It can be viewed here:

https://myelomabeacon.org/forum/steve-mohr-stem-cell-transplant-t3448-20.html#p19702

Perhaps not surprisingly, he mentioned in his posting precisely the challenges you mentioned -- nausea and diarrhea.

Beacon Staff

Re: Steve Mohr's Stem Cell Transplant

by Steve on Sat Jun 21, 2014 6:55 pm

"So look, I'm not necessarily recommending that anyone follow my example here, but by the 4th day I started having someone sneak outside food in; it was a Godsend! I wasn't unreasonable. I made sure it was food that was thoroughly cooked. I did admittedly gain some notoriety at COH when I got caught with the chili rellenos from an on-site vendor, but it was so worth it."

LOL! And who said cancer can't be funny!?

Thanks for sharing that ... I've chosen to delay my SCT for ... well ... for as long as I freakin' can, but I will remember your food advice for if and when!!! :)

S.

Steve
Name: Steve
Who do you know with myeloma?: myself
When were you/they diagnosed?: December 2009
Age at diagnosis: 55

Re: Steve Mohr's Stem Cell Transplant

by Karen on Sun Jun 22, 2014 4:25 pm

Thanks to everyone who is posting their experiences. I'm going in for my transplant next week as well - best of luck to all of us who have made the decision to do this!

I did want to mention that my transplant center (Wilmot Cancer Center at the University of Rochester Medical Center) allows transplant patients to eat anything except raw meat and undercooked eggs. I was told that I can also have food brought in from outside. I have no idea why rules differ so much from place to place? Of course, if I start having any issues I suppose my diet may be restricted. We shall see.

I was also intrigued to read that one of you was able to go outside for walks. That is one thing that is not allowed where I'm going. We can leave our rooms and walk around the halls of the transplant unit, but that's it. No venturing into the rest of the hospital or outside. I'm not too happy about that, but on the other hand I suppose I won't really feel like going out anyway.

Sending lots of good wishes to Steve and to all of you,

Karen

Karen
Name: Karen
When were you/they diagnosed?: December 2010
Age at diagnosis: 51

Re: Steve Mohr's Stem Cell Transplant

by DallasGG on Sun Jun 22, 2014 8:35 pm

When I had my transplant, I could eat anything off the hospital menu. The problem was ... after about the 3rd day, I didn't feel like eating anything because my appetite was almost completely gone. Each day I was in the hospital I had to pick my next day's meals from a menu and I had a difficult time picking anything because nothing on the menu looked good to me ... and I'm not a picky eater. I ended up eating mostly sweet things because I had no appetite for anything salty. The lunch room fixed a milkshake for me every day which I could stomach.

My biggest worry leaving the hospital was that my appetite would never come back ... yeah, not very logical, but that's how I felt at the time. Fortunately it started coming back the first day I got home.

Before my transplant, I read someone's advice that if you bring food in with you, don't bring in something that is your favorite food because you probably won't like it when you leave, due to associating it with the nausea, etc. I brought in some crackers that I really liked before the transplant, ate some while I was in the hospital and when I got out, I could barely stand to look at them again. I'm guessing that my brain/stomach is associating the crackers with the nausea and loss of appetite from my hospital stay.

Also, I had washed most of my clothes that I wore in the hospital with a detergent that had a strong fragrance and when I got out of the hospital, that fragrance made me feel sick to my stomach all over again.

DallasGG
Name: Kent
Who do you know with myeloma?: myself
When were you/they diagnosed?: 6/20/2013
Age at diagnosis: 56

Re: Steve Mohr's Stem Cell Transplant

by stann on Sun Jun 22, 2014 9:19 pm

I had two SCT's in the summer of 2010. Not bad at all.

I thought I'd get a lot of book work done, emails etc. I didn't' get anything done. I just wanted to sit and watch TV, chat to the nurses and doctors, housekeepers. Even movies couldn't maintain my interest. Just news or sports. I didn't even want visitors -- at least for too long.

Only 2-3 days of feeling bad, but I took advantage of the drugs they offer. And there are so many options when you are a cancer patient. No need to be a hero and "man up". If Vicodin [hydrocodone + acetaminophen / Tylenol / paracetamol] makes you tired after a bit, no big deal. Just sleep. Lorazepam (Ativan) worked great for nausea -- and passing the time.

On SCT 2 I did go through 3-4 days of not keeping anything down. I asked for, and received, Marinol (medical THC / marijuana). I have to admit it was GREAT! Within 30 minutes I was eating and drinking. And despite what some tell you, you do get high. And I enjoyed it.

Overall, I enjoyed interacting with the nursing staff (other than the 4am weigh ins). 3 meals a day keeps you busy.

And peeing in a bottle in your bed is actually something you'll miss when you get back home!! Imagine being a guy who has to pee several times a night and ... they let you do it right in the bed!!

If feels so wrong ... yet feels so right. Ha.

Afterall, when was the last time you were able to go somewhere for 2-3 weeks and nobody expected ANYTHING from you? No work to be done, no car needs oil changing, no clothes to wash, no lawn to be mowed. No nothing.

You'll do fine and within 3 months or so, you'll realize it wasn't that bad.

stann

Re: Steve Mohr's Stem Cell Transplant

by KimT on Sun Jun 22, 2014 11:26 pm

Stann, you are too funny! I love it. I intend to approach this with a sense of humor as well. Having had 4 kids, and only getting enough drugs with one of them, I intend to take advantage of whatever they have to offer. And I am looking forward to my downtime with no responsibilities! In fact , it can't happen soon enough! There is almost always something positive in everything.

KimT
Name: Kim Tank
Who do you know with myeloma?: Me
When were you/they diagnosed?: July 2013
Age at diagnosis: 53

Re: Steve Mohr's Stem Cell Transplant

by Nancy Shamanna on Mon Jun 23, 2014 9:23 am

Hang in there Steve! All I can really say about the stem cell transplant is that you WILL get back to normal eventually! It's a rough experience to go through though. My sense of smell was altered which made a lot of food unappealing.

You could try ginger candies and ginger ale for quelling nausea. I liked really mild foods such as apple sauce with yogurt (not 'pro biotic' though ... was fearful of any live microorganisms being ingested ... didn't have any unpasteurized cheeses either).

I remember that one friend brought me a dozen custards in glass dishes, since another friend of hers undergoing chemo had really liked them. But I couldn't eat them at all, and later gave them to a neighbour! I did do my transplant as an outpatient, so could just eat what I wanted at home, was only in the hospital for 2-3 days.

I normally write a journal entry every day, but there is at least a one month gap in my journal during that time. It was at least 2-3 weeks after the procedure that I felt well enough to walk outdoors again, apart from getting in and out of the car going to appointments. I wasn't driving myself either at that time.

Hope that helps. Best wishes!

Nancy Shamanna
Name: Nancy Shamanna
Who do you know with myeloma?: Self and others too
When were you/they diagnosed?: July 2009

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