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Re: Why have an (autologous) stem cell transplant?

by Chris M on Fri Feb 19, 2016 5:10 pm

Mark11,

Thank you for the links to studies on auto transplants and your thoughts on the original premise of the post.

My husband recently experienced his first relapse since being diagnosed in 2011. He’ll soon need to decide if he’ll do an auto stem cell transplant. His stem cells were collected in 2011, but he decided to postpone transplant at that time while he participated in a clinical study of 24 cycles of Kyprolis / Revlimid / dexamethasone. Upon completion of the study, he took Revlimid / dexa­metha­sone maintenance and achieved stringent complete remission, but then slowly began relapsing in 2015. He will start his second cycle of Ninlaro and Cytoxan next week and hopefully we will start to see a decrease in the M-Protein again.

Your statement:
Aggressive upfront therapy is for patients who think long term. If you are more concerned about the short-term, less aggressive therapy is a better choice for you.

does not apply to us. We have thought about nothing else besides the long term since 2011, even though my husband did not elect to have an early transplant. Many factors go into considering when to have a transplant. Thinking about our long term future was and still is a paramount concern.

You also wrote:
What patients do not have to do is go out of their way to over dramatize the side effects of an auto and act like novel agents have no side effects and do not reduce quality of life”

I don’t recall reading many posts implying novel agents had no side effects and didn’t reduce their quality of life in some way. To the contrary, I think many posters discuss how their QOL has been negatively affected. The Beacon forum is full of posts where people say they’re taking the drug [fill in the blank], experiencing the problems of [fill in the blank], and ask how others handle similar problems.

I don’t think people deliberately overly dramatize their experiences with auto transplants. Instead, I think they are honestly relating what happened to them. The American Cancer Society lists possible auto and allo transplant complications on its website here and here. Granted, many complications are for allos and the ACS identifies those which can be excluded from the auto transplant consideration. And I agree the timing of early vs. late transplant is another factor.

Personally, I think it’s valuable to read patient/caregiver posts about their different experiences, including transplants. I followed Pat K from 2011 to the very sad last updates. I’m very grateful he wanted to educate the myeloma patient community by sharing both good and bad experiences. I definitely agree hard data provides us with important statistics to consider (and I greatly appreciate your finding and posting them), but for those who are wrestling with the decisions if and/or when to transplant, reading personal experiences can provide important insight not found in statistical data.

The Beacon’s thread for Welcome & Getting Started encourages the sharing of patient experiences (see here and again here). I think it would be very unfortunate if, after reading this particular thread, anyone got the impression that posts about their personal experiences are not welcome here.

Finally, I truly look forward to posting congratulations to you in the future for being cured as a result of your allo transplant.

Chris M

Re: Why have an (autologous) stem cell transplant?

by MMFeb16,15 on Fri Feb 19, 2016 11:41 pm

Hello Tori:

My thinking is similar to you. I had my stem cells collected in September for freezing, but I am not inclined for transplant. I will wait and prefer to go for better and newer medicine.

MMFeb16,15
Who do you know with myeloma?: Self
When were you/they diagnosed?: February 16, 2015
Age at diagnosis: 66

Re: Why have an (autologous) stem cell transplant?

by Mark11 on Sat Feb 20, 2016 1:46 pm

I am glad I posted. The quality of the posts in this thread have improved greatly since I started posting.

Ron H - Great post. I could not have said it better myself:
So perhaps in my original post I should have drawn a distinction between when, not whether, one should consider the ASCT. Early on it has relatively low risk, with – as your studies point out – higher potential for both progression-free and overall survival benefit. However, later in the course of disease, the risk level goes up and the benefit level becomes more questionable.

Chris M - Great post.
I don’t think people deliberately overly dramatize their experiences with auto transplants. Instead, I think they are honestly relating what happened to them.

Agreed. My problem is with patients that never did one discussing the potential side effects and stating as fact that autos lead to reduced quality of life in the long term. Studies with long-term follow up show the reduced QOL is typically short term only. When I show a study that show 88% of patients rating their QOL as good to excellent, clearly 12% are not doing as well. I think this thread was indicative of what the study I posted showed. Other than the OP, read what the patients who actually did one wrote. Transplants are not for everyone.

Personally, I think it’s valuable to read patient/caregiver posts about their different experiences, including transplants.

Agreed. What is not beneficial is stating that autos are not known to increase overall survival for patients who do them compared to those that do not without posting any links to any studies to back up that statement. One of the reasons I post is to share a very positive outcome for a younger, high-risk myeloma patient. What I do not do is tell everyone how I am doing and than state that there is a 95% chance of this happening for every myeloma patient that does an allo in first complete response. That would be just as inaccurate as stating:
It says in so many trials "Median overall survival rates are not improved by auto transplant."

So far no one has posted the links to all of those trials.

The American Cancer Society lists possible auto and allo transplant complications on its website here and here. Granted, many complications are for allos and the ACS identifies those which can be excluded from the auto transplant consideration.

No doubt transplants, especially allo, can have side effects. Each individual patient has to weigh the potential risks and potential rewards of the treatments they chose to use and not use. You trade potential side effects no matter what therapies are used. That is why it is important to know what therapies the studies show that lead to longer overall survival.

I posted the above study on Kyprolis for a couple of reasons. One is that I believe Mr. Potatohead is using it. Another is the long list of potential side effects that patients can have as they get later on in treatment course is listed in the graph. The reward for using aggressive early therapy can be avoiding needing to use therapies that cause those side effects.

Hopefully the next time a thread is started that has what appears to be a factually inaccurate statement, someone else will ask the OP for the studies/data to back it up as opposed to using it as the basis of a thread discussion.

Mark11

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