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Thank for your big hearts and extensive knowledge

by cathy on Mon Mar 23, 2015 8:07 pm

I want to thank you before asking for your thoughts. I have been reading this site since last Sep­tember and all along have been impressed with the level of knowledge and kindness here. It is truly a blessing to have a place to go when that diagnosis comes through and you are searching for answers. I have greatly appreciated your willingness to share your journeys. :)

My husband was surprised out of the blue with a multiple myeloma diagnosis in September 2014. He had back pain and tiredness but nothing else until he also lost weight and I insisted he go to the doctor. Even they didn't suspect myeloma at first since they thought he looked too good.

He has a very severe condition, as he was diagnosed with Stage 3B multiple myeloma. They said 99% of his marrow was cancer, also with 15% of the disease spilled into peripheral blood he had leukemia and del P53. Needless to say, this was quite a blow when we grasped what was going on. :shock:

So, he has a very risky condition and the stem cell doc wants to go to an allo transplant ASAP as my husband is young, has no other health conditions, and is actually feeling better than he did before the diagnosis. He has thankfully tolerated treatment very well with few side effects.

Unfortunately, his kappa free light chain count is not dropping much anymore. He started at what they said was the highest that scale would measure, at 1800, and now 6 months later is at 250. They would obviously like him to be as low as possible before transplant, but the last appointment the oncologist seemed to be at a loss as to what to do next to get the numbers lower, so I thought I would put it out to this knowledgeable and experienced community.

He has done 3 months of a 4-day, 24 hour drip of bortezomib (Velcade), dex, thalidomide, doxorubin, cyclophosphamide and etoposide, followed by a month of 2-day infusion for 3 weeks of carfilzomib (Kyprolis) and lenalidomide (Revlimid), then a month of carfilzomib and pomalidomide (Pomalyst) and then this month added vorinostat (Zolinza). His numbers fell from 1800 to 1000 to 650 to 450 to 300 then 250.

If anyone has any thoughts I would appreciate it. At least it is something I can dig into and then ask the doctor about. We are willing to switch doctors if we feel someone else would be more helpful.

Thanks!

cathy
Name: cathy
Who do you know with myeloma?: husband
When were you/they diagnosed?: September 2014
Age at diagnosis: 52

Re: Thank for your big hearts and extensive knowledge

by Multibilly on Mon Mar 23, 2015 8:38 pm

Hi Cathy,

Welcome to the forum!

Regarding your husband's depth of response, you might want to browse through this brand new news post that the Beacon just put out (many thanks Beacon staff!)

"Additional Treatment To Deepen Response Prior To Transplantation May Not Improve Survival In Newly Diagnosed Multiple Myeloma," Mar 23, 2015

Note that I believe this article is limited to auto transplants and there might be completely different considerations for a potential allo patient. But it still might be something to discuss with your doc as you shoot for a deeper induction response.

I also always think a second opinion is a good idea when it comes to multiple myeloma, re­gard­less of how things are going.

Best of luck to you on this journey.

Multibilly
Name: Multibilly
Who do you know with myeloma?: Me
When were you/they diagnosed?: Smoldering, Nov, 2012

Re: Thank for your big hearts and extensive knowledge

by Cheryl G on Tue Mar 24, 2015 8:58 am

Hello Cathy,

I am sorry to hear how difficult it has been to get your husband's disease control. From what you have described, it sounds like your husband either has, or is close to having, a diagnosis of plasma cell leukemia. That's a very challenging disease to treat, which is one of the reasons why your husband's doctor is considering the allo transplant option.

The recent Beacon article that Multibilly pointed out is definitely an important article, but, as he suggests, it is hard to know how relevant it is to a situation like your husband's, where an allo transplant is being planned.

For allo transplants, particularly allo transplants done after a patient has their initial treatment, there seems to be a general consensus that transplants are more likely to be successful if the patient has achieved a very deep response to initial treatment. Now, this "consensus" could be subject to the sort of flaws in thinking that are highlighted by the article Multibilly mentions, but my knee jerk reaction is that the situation is different with allo transplants.

I have several thoughts that I'll just rattle off to keep this discussion going.

Has your husband's doctor considered doing tandem auto-allo transplants, perhaps with some consolidation therapy between the auto and the allo? An initial auto transplant could help get your husband's disease better under control, and it also might make the disease more receptive to consolidation prior to the allo transplant.

Has your husband had genetic testing done that might show that his disease can be treated with certain therapies (BRAF and/or MEK inhibitors) that have shown activity against myeloma in some myeloma patients who have specific genetic characteristics? You can find studies that look into these kinds of therapies by googling "braf myeloma" or "mek myeloma" There are one or two companies out there that do the genetic testing that will help show whether your husband might respond to such treatments.

There are several new or investigational therapies that your husband has not yet been treated with that might be worth considering. Farydak (panobinostat) was recently approved as a new myeloma therapy; however, it's similar to Zolinza, so it may not be as effective once your hus­band has been treated with Zolinza. There are several monoclonal antibodies – elo­tu­zumab, daratumumab, SAR650984, and MOR202 – that appear very promising. The last three in that list are probably the ones most worth looking at. Also, ARRY-520 (filanesib) is being tested as a new myeloma therapy and works differently than the other drugs I've listed so far.

The final comment I'll make may not be necessary, given that your husband's doctor seems to have been very resourceful so far in looking for ways to get your husband's disease under control. However, I think it's particularly important in a situation like your husband's for him to be under the care of a myeloma specialist at a major treatment center. A specialist is going to have the best knowledge for this kind of situation, and being at a major treatment center will help with access to clinical trials.

If your husband's diagnosis is, in fact, plasma cell leukemia, you may find this article helpful to give a sense of how some myeloma thought leaders treat patient's with the disease:

NWCJ van de Donk et al, "How I treat plasma cell leukemia," Blood, Sep 2012 (link to full text of article)

My best wishes to you and your husband.

Cheryl G

Re: Thank for your big hearts and extensive knowledge

by Multibilly on Tue Mar 24, 2015 9:11 am

Cathy:

Cheryl brings up some really excellent points and recommendations to consider. I completely missed the reference to leukemia in the original post.

Multibilly
Name: Multibilly
Who do you know with myeloma?: Me
When were you/they diagnosed?: Smoldering, Nov, 2012

Re: Thank for your big hearts and extensive knowledge

by Spirit on Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:28 am

Cathy,

I too was recently diagnosed at Stage 3b and I am new to this forum. Could you explain why the doctor wants to do an allo transplant vs. an auto transplant?

Thank you and best wishes to your husband.

Spirit

Re: Thank for your big hearts and extensive knowledge

by cathy on Tue Mar 24, 2015 4:42 pm

I agree with the second opinion, Multibilly. This is our second doc and he is a specialist in multiple myeloma. We will be seeing another doc again in a few weeks. More heads are better than 1. I will read through the link you provided. Thanks.

cathy
Name: cathy
Who do you know with myeloma?: husband
When were you/they diagnosed?: September 2014
Age at diagnosis: 52

Re: Thank for your big hearts and extensive knowledge

by cathy on Tue Mar 24, 2015 5:00 pm

Thanks Cheryl for such a detailed response. I appreciate your time and help.

The oncologist suggested the auto / allo, but the stem cell doc nixed the idea. He said with the state of disease my husband has, he doesn't even think he will go into remission, and then he will be in a much weaker state than he is now.

I will look into the articles and the genetic testing. Thanks.

We are at the U of Michigan and it is the only hospital listed in the state as having a multiple myeloma clinic, so that is why we went there.

cathy
Name: cathy
Who do you know with myeloma?: husband
When were you/they diagnosed?: September 2014
Age at diagnosis: 52

Re: Thank for your big hearts and extensive knowledge

by cathy on Tue Mar 24, 2015 5:04 pm

Spirit,

Sorry to hear of your diagnosis.

The doctor wants to do an allo rather than an auto because not only does he have a severe case of multiple myeloma, but he has plasma cell leukemia AND del P53. The stem cell doctor does not feel an auto will have any effect other than weakening him.

I wish you the best as you learn about this and work toward recovery.

cathy
Name: cathy
Who do you know with myeloma?: husband
When were you/they diagnosed?: September 2014
Age at diagnosis: 52

Re: Thank for your big hearts and extensive knowledge

by cindylouise on Tue Mar 24, 2015 7:44 pm

Would Mayo Clinic be too far out for you to consider? While my husband was unable to follow thru to transplant, we had an excellent consultation with Dr. Angela Dispenzieri. She's very well known in myeloma circles, and we really appreciated our time with her. I would think this is the type of major cancer treatment center you might need.

cindylouise

Re: Thank for your big hearts and extensive knowledge

by Mark11 on Wed Mar 25, 2015 7:57 am

Hi Cathy,

I am sorry to hear about your husband being diagnosed with such an aggressive form of myeloma. My presentation is very similar to your husbands. I usually send patients the link Cheryl G sent and this one.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4112539/

I am actually surprised to hear how much trouble he is having getting to CR. I got 3 opinions and all 3 doctors thought I would have little trouble getting to CR. Maintaining it was another story!

I agree with Cheryl G that your doctor is being proactive and he is treating according to expert opinion based on the papers I have read about PCL. The study mentioned earlier about depth of response not mattering prior to auto does not apply to allo transplant. Allo transplant is immunotherapy while an auto is a high dose drugs. I posted some links over in this thread about the importance of CR prior to allo transplant.
https://myelomabeacon.org/forum/tandem-auto-allo-high-risk-multiple-myeloma-t5133.html

As a high risk patient depth of response is critical for long term survival. High risk myeloma/PCL is not a disease you can treat with a "take two tablets and call me in the morning" style like you can treat some myeloma patients.

Good luck moving forward. Things will get back to normal. Other than checking out the Beacon this morning, my day today will be the same as it would have been if I had never been diagnosed with myeloma.

Mark

Mark11

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