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Risk of progression in smoldering multiple myeloma

by Multibilly on Sat Sep 13, 2014 8:05 am

I've never been entirely clear on how to interpret risk of progression graphs for SMM patients.

You often hear the average risk of progression as being 10% per year for the first 5 years, and then it dropping to 3% per year for the next five years, etc. So the cumulative risk of progression in the first five years is 50% and the cumulative risk of progression in the first 10 years is 65%. (There are also different models depending on different risk factors, but let's just assume this is the simple model we are working with for now).

You can look at this figure get an idea of the type of risk curve I am looking at:

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My question is this: Let's say a smoldering myeloma patient makes it to 5 years without becoming symptomatic. The cumulative risk of having progressed to multiple myeloma in that time is ~50% (5x10% ... actually 51% in figure 2). So, that person has beat 50/50 odds over a period of 5 years. Hooray!

But at year 5, is one's risk of progression considered to be 15% for the next 5 years (5x3%)? Or, is one's risk of progression between 50% and 65% for the next 5 years? What is my risk of progression in year 5 if I am lucky enough to make it 5 years without progressing? Is it 3% for that year or is it ~ 50%?

After all, when I first look at the data starting at year zero, the cumulative risk of progression between year zero and year 10 is 65%. At year 5, one is still on that same curve (just further along), but your number simply hasn't been called yet if you haven't become symptomatic.

I imagine this question has been answered before and there is a standard way of thinking about this in the medical field, but I can't seem to find an explanation on this forum.

The figure above is Figure 2 from RA Kyle et al, "Clinical Course and Prognosis of Smoldering (Asymptomatic) Multiple Myeloma," New England Journal of Medicine, June 21, 2007; 356:2582-2590
Last edited by Multibilly on Sat Sep 13, 2014 3:55 pm, edited 2 times in total.

Multibilly
Name: Multibilly
Who do you know with myeloma?: Me
When were you/they diagnosed?: Smoldering, Nov, 2012

Re: Risk of progression in smoldering multiple myeloma

by DanaH on Sat Sep 13, 2014 2:07 pm

Hey Multibilly,

I've also asked this question before and was told that the risk to progression remained con­tinuous and cumulative beyond the first 5 years. Additionally, I was told 22% of those with SMM do not progress "in their lifetime" (I understood this to mean this may be attributed to comorbidities?, I could be wrong). That response seems to somewhat correlate to the 78% on the graph, although at 20 years.

Just sharing the info provided to me.

All the best,
Dana H

DanaH
Who do you know with myeloma?: Myself, SMM as of 1/2012
When were you/they diagnosed?: 1/2012
Age at diagnosis: 54

Re: Risk of progression in smoldering multiple myeloma

by Boris Simkovich on Sat Sep 13, 2014 4:32 pm

Hi Multibilly,

You ask a great question. People get tripped up by this subject a lot. A key reason this hap­pens – and I suspect it's what has happened in your case – is because this oft-quoted state­ment,

The overall risk of progression was 10% per year for the first 5 years, approximately 3% per year for the next 5 years, and 1% per year for the last 10 years.

is only roughly correct for a very specific purpose, and that purpose is very different from the one for which most people use the probabilities.

The statement is based on the graph you included in your posting, and actually appears in the paper.

If, however, you do probability calculations using the same graph, but in a way that is more relevant to smoldering myeloma patients, the correct probability sequence is NOT the 10% - 3% - 1% sequence quoted above. It's actually 13% - 7% - 4%, for the same time periods used in the more commonly quoted sequence, i.e., 0-5 years after diagnosis, 5-10 years after diagnosis, and 10-20 years after diagnosis.

More specifically, based on the numbers in the graph you posted,

  • A smoldering myeloma patient has a 51% chance of progressing to either multiple myeloma or amyloidosis during the first 5 years after they are diagnosed. At any point during those first 5 years, if the patient is still smoldering, they have a 13.3% chance per year of progressing.
     
  • If a smoldering myeloma patient is still smoldering 5 years after diagnosis, they have a 31% chance of progressing sometime in the 5 years after that. At any point during those next 5 years, if the patient is still smoldering, they have a 7.0% chance per year of progressing.
     
  • Finally, if a smoldering myeloma patient is still smoldering 10 years after diagnosis, they have a 35% chance of progressing sometime in the 10 years after that. At any point during those 10 years, if the patient is still smoldering, they have a 4.3% chance per year of progressing.
Again, these probabilities are calculated from the same graph that was used by the graph's authors to come up with the 10% - 3% - 1% probability sequence. It's just that those probabilities, it turns out, apply to a situation very different than the one for which the sequence is usually used.

Instead, for most purposes, the 13% - 7% - 4% sequence is more appropriate.

I will explain more below how I came up with the 13-7-4 sequence and the other probabilities I mentioned above. For most people, the discussion below is probably more technical than they want to get. But, if statistics is your thing, feel free to read on!

Interpreting the Probability Graph

As the authors say in their paper, the graph you pointed to shows the cumulative probability (their words) of someone progressing from smoldering myeloma to either multiple myeloma or amyloidosis at different points in time after their diagnosis.

What does that mean?

Well, the graph says that if you randomly selected 1000 newly diagnosed smoldering myeloma today, 510 of them (51%) will have progressed sometime within the next 5 years.

By 10 years from now, a total of 660 of the original 1000 (61%) will have progressed.

And, by 20 years from now, a total of 780 (78%) will have progressed.

What The Graph Means For Probabilities

Now, back to your question ... and using the numbers in the graph to calculate some probabilities.

You question can be rephrased as follows: For those smoldering myeloma patients who make it 5 years after diagnosis without progressing, what is their probability of progressing in the next 5 years (i.e., in the period between 5 and 10 years after diagnosis)?

Well, the graph shows that, 5 years from diagnosis, 490 (=1000-510) of an original sample of 1000 newly diagnosed smoldering myeloma patients will still have smoldering myeloma.

At 10 years from diagnosis, only 340 (=1000-660) of the original sample of 1000 will still have smoldering myeloma.

So, between the 5th and 10th years after diagnosis, 150 (490-340) patients out of the 490 who still had smoldering myeloma at the 5-year mark will progress, or about 31% of the group.

So, for someone with smoldering myeloma who still has not progressed 5 years from diag­nosis, the probability of progressing sometime between 5 and 10 years after diagnosis is 31%.

If you do the math, the 31% probability means that, for someone who still has smoldering myeloma anytime between 5 and 10 years after diagnosis, their risk of progressing in a given year is 7.0%.

What about the probabilities for the period 10 to 20 years from diagnosis?

Well, 10 years from diagnosis, we already saw above that 340 patients of the original 1000 will still be smoldering, based on the estimates in the study authors' chart.

At 20 years from diagnosis, the chart says that only about 220 patients of the original 100 will still be smoldering.

So, for someone who has made it 10 years after diagnosis and is still smoldering, the chance they will progress during the next 10 years is 120 (340-220) divided by 340, or 35 percent.

This translates into a yearly risk of progression during that period, for someone who still has smoldering myeloma, of about 4.3% per year.

The same sort of calculations for the very first 5 years after diagnosis indicate that a smoldering myeloma patient has a 51 percent chance of progressing sometime during that time period.

And that implies a yearly risk of progression during the first 5 years after diagnosis, for someone who still is smoldering at any time during that time, of 13.3% per year.

Why These Numbers Differ From The Typically Cited Numbers

The yearly progression rates I just calculated differ from those that were in the original paper, and which you hear cited so often, for two reasons.

First, the authors calculated their rates of progression always on the basis of the entire original sample, not the number of patients who still had smoldering myeloma at the 5-year and 10-year milestones.

Second, they ignored the effect of compounding -- in this case, what you might call "inverse compounding". That isn't a big issue for short time periods, or when you're dealing with small yearly risks, but it matters for periods as long as 10 years, and it matters for risks on the order of 10% per year.

As an example, take the authors' rate of progression of 1% per year for years 10 to 20 after diagnosis.

They calculated this by saying that, if you have a sample of 1000 newly diagnosed smoldering patients, then from year 10 after diagnosis to year 20 after diagnosis, about 100, or 10%, will progress.

So, they said, that 10% over 10 years is about 1% per year.

But that's misleading. At 10 years from diagnosis, about 340 patients of an original sample of 1000 will still have smoldering myeloma. Of those, about 120 will progress in the next 10 years, for a probability of progression in those 10 years of 35% for those patients who make it 10 years without progressing.

In other words, for a number that's really meaningful to most smoldering myeloma patients, you need to do the risk calculation based on how many patients still have smoldering myeloma at 10 years after diagnosis, not how many there were at time of diagnosis.

Second, there's the issue of compounding. The issue is similar to what we all know about compound interest. If you make 10% interest per year on an investment, you will double your money in less than 10 years if you are reinvesting your interest.

The same sort of logic applies in this case when calculating yearly risk of progression. You can't just take the risk for an entire period of time and divide by the number of years. As it turns out, if you take that approach, you will underestimate the yearly risk of progression.

Boris Simkovich
Name: Boris Simkovich
Founder
The Myeloma Beacon

Re: Risk of progression in smoldering multiple myeloma

by Multibilly on Sat Sep 13, 2014 6:53 pm

Thanks for the incredibly detailed and thoughtful answer Boris! The Beacon staff and you rock.

One of my kids is also going to love this answer. My family was debating how to interpret these stats over lunch and his interpretation is pretty much what you explained (and he came up with the 30% risk in the second 5 year period on the back of a napkin).

I also just got the response below from a stats & health research professor at Stanford (who I contacted out of the blue and who was gracious enough to respond to a complete stranger). This might also help folks frame their thinking as they look at these kinds of medical stats:

... Keep in mind that these are population statistics so your individual risk could be much different.

I'd solve the problem in this way:

Imagine you start with 100 people who are diagnosed at year 0. You would expect about 51 of them to progress by year 5 and 66 to progress by year 10. Accordingly, at year 5, you would expect to have 49 non-progressors remaining and at year 10 you would expect to have 34 non-progressors remaining. Out of the 49 who make it to year 5, 15 (49-34) will go onto progress during years 5 through 10. So, the probability of progressing during years 5 to 10 (assuming you didn't progress through year 5) would be 15/49=30%.

You can roughly think of this as a 6% chance per year, but actually the chances are a little higher than 6% to begin with and become lower as you approach year 10.

Hope that helps and I hope that you beat the odds!

Multibilly
Name: Multibilly
Who do you know with myeloma?: Me
When were you/they diagnosed?: Smoldering, Nov, 2012

Re: Risk of progression in smoldering multiple myeloma

by DanaH on Sat Sep 13, 2014 9:02 pm

Could someone explain this so I can understand? I do not understand statistics or com­pound­ing, and this is very very confusing to me. Can you make this much more simple to understand please? I tried reading this twice and I just don't know what any of this means.

I am smoldering for 3 years already. I was told my younger age makes progression a real thing. They told me if I was older it would be better. They don't explain more than that. What does this graph mean for me -- please help? Thank you.

DanaH
Who do you know with myeloma?: Myself, SMM as of 1/2012
When were you/they diagnosed?: 1/2012
Age at diagnosis: 54

Re: Risk of progression in smoldering multiple myeloma

by gardengirl on Sat Sep 13, 2014 9:05 pm

Don't we have to factor in lead-time bias? Some people with smoldering multiple myeloma were diagnosed very early by "accident", so they may take longer to progress on paper, but yet may still progress at some point. If another person was smoldering (undetected) for X years before diagnosis, they may appear to progress sooner, but both people still "sparked" at the same time. :idea:

And there are so many different levels and factors involved for smoldering multiple myeloma that the chart doesn't cover, or has it already taken into account the higher risk folks?

gardengirl
Name: gardengirl
Who do you know with myeloma?: Me
When were you/they diagnosed?: Nov. 2013
Age at diagnosis: 47

Re: Risk of progression in smoldering multiple myeloma

by Boris Simkovich on Sun Sep 14, 2014 4:01 am

Thanks for the feedback, everyone.

A couple of comments and clarifications.

First, I've done some editing to my original posting. The edits are designed to emphasize and simplify a bit the key results in the first part of the posting. For those who want to wade into the details, the can read on into the second part of the posting.

Second, in regard to Gardengirl's question ...

I don't think there is any lead-time bias to the estimates. Gardengirl is absolutely correct that people are diagnosed with smoldering myeloma at different points in the disease's progression. But that was true for the patients included in the sample of 276 Mayo Clinic smoldering myeloma patients used to create the graph Multibilly included in his posting.

Second, it also is true that different smoldering myeloma patients have different risks of progression. What the graph shows, however, is just the average risk of progression across all smoldering myeloma.

In fact, the results based on the graph bear out the fact that some patients have a high risk of progression, while other patients have a low risk of progression.

The presence of high risk patients in the initial sample is what causes the risk of progression across all patients to be high at first.

Then, 5 years after diagnosis, the risk of progression for patients who are still smoldering is lower, precisely because the high-risk patients already have progressed, leaving behind lower risk patients.

Hope this helps a bit. Thanks again for the feedback and questions.

Boris Simkovich
Name: Boris Simkovich
Founder
The Myeloma Beacon

Re: Risk of progression in smoldering multiple myeloma

by Betsy50 on Sun Sep 14, 2014 2:50 pm

Wow! What an excellent explanation!!! :)

Thanks, Boris, for all you are doing and the well informed information that you provided in this very important topic that Multibilly brought to our attention.

Thanks Multibilly, for your contribution and active participation helping all of us to understand and ease our minds in a very complicated matter.

All the best for you both and your families.

Betsy

Betsy50

Re: Risk of progression in smoldering multiple myeloma

by Boris Simkovich on Sun Sep 14, 2014 5:02 pm

Glad you found the explanation helpful, Betsy. Thanks for the feedback and the good wishes.

Boris Simkovich
Name: Boris Simkovich
Founder
The Myeloma Beacon

Re: Risk of progression in smoldering multiple myeloma

by Carol of Eden on Mon Sep 15, 2014 11:16 am

Hi, Dana, I don't see a response to your questions, so I will try my best.

You may have been told it was worse for younger people like yourself simply because you expect to live much longer than a person who is already older - say 70 or 75. Because of their age, they stand more chance of dying of other things before multiple myeloma can get them.

I was diagnosed MGUS at 50, and smoldering multiple myeloma at 54, so I'm more in your boat. The chart says that my risk in 20 years of developing multiple myeloma is 78%, and I'd be 74. I hope to live much longer than that, so my chances of living to 90 without multiple myeloma are SLIM.

You said you've had smoldering myeloma for 3 years, and it looks like after 3 years (on the chart) about 40% of patients have progressed to multiple myeloma. You are one of the lucky 60%, and, as you can see, the slope of the line is flattening, that means your risk in any given year is declining.

I do not think your doctor meant that you are more likely to progress to multiple myeloma in any given year than an older person - I do not think the disease progresses faster in people our age. On the contrary, younger patients tend to do better with treatment and have more treatment options, and so tend to live longer once diagnosed with multiple myeloma.

Good luck to you!

Carol of Eden
Name: Carol
Who do you know with myeloma?: myself
When were you/they diagnosed?: MGUS 2009, SMM 2013
Age at diagnosis: 50

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