[Multibilly]

Diet, dairy and multiple myeloma

by Multibilly on Sun Feb 02, 2014 4:59 pm

Picking up the conversation on diet and dairy that was started in this thread.

Note the argument against some dairy items in this study.

The reference to dairy in the above link is specifically:

"....Despite very limited data on dietary factors in relation to multiple myeloma, the findings from this study concur with previously published studies, suggesting an inverse association for consumption of fish, cruciferous vegetables and green vegetables, and a positive association for some dairy products".

(Note that "positive association" in the above article means that it is linked to multiple myeloma. An inverse association means less incidence of multiple myeloma).

Now look at the worldwide distribution of multiple myeloma by regions of the world (note the lower incidence of multiple myeloma in regions like Asia and Africa, where milk consumption is quite a bit lower than in NA and Europe).

http://www.cancerresearchuk.org/cancer-info/cancerstats/types/myeloma/incidence/uk-multiple-myeloma-incidence-statistics

If you really want to get into this, compare the above worldwide multiple myeloma incidence graph with the ww milk consumption graphs here (this is hardly a scientific link as you can easily identify other items that you could attribute to the similarities of the distributions on a region-by-region basis, including other dietary components such as grain or meat, but it is interesting nonetheless).

http://www.geocurrents.info/cultural-geography/culinary-geography/global-geography-of-milk-consumption-and-lactose-intolerance

Gets you thinking, doesn't it? Now, go enjoy a Superbowl pizza

[dnalex]

Re: Diet, dairy and multiple myeloma

by dnalex on Sun Feb 02, 2014 9:21 pm

Very interesting...I will certainly suggest the fresh fish, cruciferous and green veggies, as well as cooked tomatoes, to my mom.

I wonder where milk fits into the scheme.

[SVBriggs]

Re: Diet, dairy and multiple myeloma

by SVBriggs on Mon Feb 03, 2014 2:02 pm

I found Christina Pirello 's recovery from ALL (leukemia) fascinating especially as she went into remission without conventional treatment. She went completely meat and dairy free by following a macrobiotic diet. She has been in remission since the mid-80's.

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The idea of foregoing chemo for a blood cancer would not be an option that I would consider, but eliminating certain foods that may impact my recovery is something that I am certainly willing to try. The rate for osteoporosis is also higher in those countries with high dairy consumption. It never made sense to me why we consume a product that is meant for infants (in this case, infant cows). Although I am the first to admit a weakness for cheese.

I am not going to talk anyone out of consuming dairy if that is their wish, but I am glad that you have started this thread so that we can explore the impact that certain foods have on myeloma.

Kale has lately become a regular item in my diet, along with occasional wild salmon. I have eliminated all other animal products. The dairy and beef lobbies are very powerful in this country; they most certainly would not support Dr. Campbell's findings.

Thanks for the links to the study on diet.

Susan

[dee777]

Re: Diet, dairy and multiple myeloma

by dee777 on Mon Feb 03, 2014 5:45 pm

There was a study showing raw milk is anti cancerous
http://www.realmilk.com/health/does-milk-cause-cancer/

Also, Dr. Gonzalez talks about diet and cancer and points out blood cancers do better with a carnivore diet:



I am on a moderate carnivore diet. I drink and eat raw dairy. There is a difference between raw dairy and even organic, not the same.

SVBriggs, you may be eating kale and taking out dairy and meat, but you are on conventional drugs. I do eat raw dairy and grass fed beef, I don't take any drugs. If your diet is so successful why are you taking the drugs?

I do take pigs pancreatic enzymes that digest the outer cover of the cancer cells.

[dee777]

Re: Diet, dairy and multiple myeloma

by dee777 on Mon Feb 03, 2014 6:00 pm

Ok, here he goes into more which cancers need what diet and supplements.

[dee777]

Re: Diet, dairy and multiple myeloma

by dee777 on Mon Feb 03, 2014 6:05 pm

My whole family grew up drinking raw milk, none of us have osteoporosis . My bones are strong. None of us have cavities, I believe all related to the raw milk. Commercial milk looses a lot of enzymes and minerals so calcium is poorly absorbed. However, we all have carnivore genetics. If some one has vegetarian genetics, they would not do well with a lot of dairy. Multiple Myeloma patients are carnivore, though some not as much as others. I need to eat red meat 1-2 times a day. Some only need it 5 times a week and some more than me. Dr. Gonzalez uses a hair analysis to see what diet we need to be on.

[Matt's wife]

Re: Diet, dairy and multiple myeloma

by Matt's wife on Thu Feb 06, 2014 9:48 am

Something Dr. Gonzalez said made me think of something I heard in a Ted Talk given by Dr. William Li. Here is the link for those who are not familiar with it.

http://www.ted.com/talks/william_li.html

There is a chart in the talk that I was trying to add to this post, but couldn't figure our how .

Anyway, on the chart, it compares foods, common medicines, and some cancer drugs that are especially effective in assisting in angiogenesis - a process some scientists believe is important in preventing and treating some cancers. Dr. Li included Revlimid as one of the most effective new drugs to assist in angiogenesis. He also lists Vitamin E and a variety of teas as very effective. Dr. Gonzalez also mentions Vitamin E as being very effective for myeloma.

Now, I have heard that you should not drink green tea when on myeloma treatment. Is that also true for Vitamin E? Is this because the teas are similar to Revlimid and they interact? We are in a holding pattern after an ASCT and are not on anything right now. I'm wondering if it's worth taking more Vitamin E and drinking teas as we wait to determine if we are stable?

[dee777]

Re: Diet, dairy and multiple myeloma

by dee777 on Thu Feb 06, 2014 10:51 am

You have to realize when people are using diet to get rid of their cancer, it works a lot different then when you filling your body with toxic drugs and so you are not going to get the same responses or results. There is no way an oncologist is going to accept diet can cause a cancer to regress. Cancer is not an infection and we need to take a drug for it to go away.

I do know from my own experience and from reading others that a vegan or vegetarian diet will cause multiple myeloma to get worse. It is a cancer caused by being too alkaline. I went vegan at the beginning and juiced kale and took spirulina and chlorella and took out all animal protein and dairy and I ended up in the hospital with my kidneys failing and for the next 3 months getting 3 blood transfusions. I wasn't on any drugs so the diet was making me worse.

I then went on 10 mg of Rev for about 4 months till I was stabilized and the last two of those months I included meats and dairy back in my diet. I then canceled my appointments and about two months later started my very carnivore diet of red meats 1-2 times a day and still drinking dairy and eating lots of animal fats including raw butter and lard from our hogs. I take about 130 supplements including pancreatic enzymes to digest the cancer cells. I am still drug free and getting better.

I do not eat any greens or salads. No more spirulina or chlorella. I eat my beef very rare for the living enzymes. The Ted talk is interesting but the problem is he is not recognizing that different people need different diets. I don't see my diet as being angiogenesis, but as acidic and making an environment the cancer doesn't want to grow in. There was a man that got rid of his multiple myeloma by eating raw meats. I eat mine rare but not raw, don't think I could do that.

One thing Christina Pirello was talking about with the way her body was trying to detox the toxins does happen, the skin is a way the body detoxes. But she didn't do any thing to help with that. I do twice a day two times in a row coffee enemas and every month for 5 days different detoxes including the gall bladder and liver flush and others. The cancer cells do put off a lot of toxins and as they die they are toxic so I believe detoxing is very important part of the healing process and with out them one can die. Brushing of the skin also helps with the skin detoxes.

[dee777]

Re: Diet, dairy and multiple myeloma

by dee777 on Thu Feb 06, 2014 11:03 am

Oh, and my kidneys Jan. of last year had a creatinine of 2.7, I am at .08 now. No dex. Diet and juicing. And I drink raw milk, did not effect the healing of them.

[SVBriggs]

Re: Diet, dairy and multiple myeloma

by SVBriggs on Thu Feb 06, 2014 8:54 pm

Hi Dee,

I am not on maintenance therapy post transplant (no drugs). I respect Dr. Gonzales and he has had great results with lymphoma using high meat diet and high animal fats. One myeloma patient whose blog I recently read was under treatment with Dr. Gonzales and his myeloma got worse despite good compliance. He had to go back on chemo. Maybe he gave up too quickly and should have stuck with the program. Gonzales does not list myeloma as one of the cancers he treats (on his website) and I don't know what his success rate is with myeloma.

When I was diagnosed I was already on the metabolic type diet (Kelly's diet) and had incorporated large amounts of animal products and had eliminated grains from my diet. I cannot drink dairy because of lactose intolerance but I could eat some forms of cheese. I had been on this diet for over 2 years before I was diagnosed. Maybe it kept the disease from progressing faster, I don't know. I ate mainly poultry (dark meat) and fish as I have a problem eating beef. I was raised a vegetarian. Because of your success I may look into this further.

I presently feel good and my blood levels are perfectly normal but as Gonzales states in his books, people with blood cancers tend to be too alkaline. I think that I balance my diet fairly well with greens, vegetables, oils, nuts and proteins.

There is new information coming out linking dairy and prostate cancer. I still have concern about IGF-1 which goes up with milk consumption. I would definitely like to see more research in this area.

I am glad that you are doing so well on your raw milk and beef diet. It deserves more attention and you have me reconsidering adding poultry and other animal products back in to my diet.