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Re: Decision time - should I do an allo transplant?

by karenh on Fri Nov 13, 2015 5:23 pm

Hi Tracy,

Would your allo be a mini-allo? I'm assuming so, as this is much more the norm with myeloma.
I faced the decision that you are now making in 2008, and despite much anxiety decided to do it.
For me, it has worked out well. My brother was a perfect match, and I had my auto followed by the mini-allo at a regional cancer center with doctors who have significant experience doing trans­plants.

I am now in my 7th year of remission and have been without chemo or maintenance through­out this period. So I would surely make this decision again. Still, there are many unknowns, and I am well aware that things could have gone differently. And while my family was very supportive of my decision, it is clearly a decision that we all have to make for ourselves.

The factors that influenced my decision were:

  1. The gift of a good match
  2. Good insurance that might not later be available for me
  3. My relatively young age for myeloma (59) and my overall health (except for the myeloma) and the fact that I might not be healthy enough later on to do this and
  4. The research studies provided by my doctor on mini-allos for myeloma.
Many have commented on the bewildering number of options from which we have to choose in dealing with our myeloma. While we are blessed to have these options as compared to those who came before us, it does add to the stress that we all have when dealing with a serious disease. May you have good luck and peace of mind with whatever you decide to do.

Karenh

karenh
Name: Karen Hendrickson
Who do you know with myeloma?: myself
Age at diagnosis: 59

Re: Decision time - should I do an allo transplant?

by Tracy J on Fri Nov 13, 2015 8:26 pm

Thanks to you all for you input and ideas. They are helpful.

Cdnirene, if I wait a year or two to have an allo, there is no guarantee that the donor would still be available, or that I would still be a candidate for the transplant. Anything could happen to either of us in the meantime. But there's no official time limit, if that's what you mean.

Mark11, thanks so much for all that good information. I'm a numbers kind of gal. I knew you'd come through! :)

Vicki, I think a lot of the difficulty comes from inadequate information, no matter how well one understands the medical jargon. "Inadequate information", as in the data does not exist. The data one would need to REALLY make this choice simply isn't there. The decision will need to be made anyway.

Tuesday I'll have an appointment at Dana Farber with Dr. John Koreth, the transplant guy there. I'll have a chance to ask questions. Then I'll have a much better idea of where I stand and where I'm going.

Tracy J
Name: Tracy Jalbuena
Who do you know with myeloma?: Me
When were you/they diagnosed?: 2014
Age at diagnosis: 42

Re: Decision time - should I do an allo transplant?

by Tracy J on Fri Nov 13, 2015 8:28 pm

Terrij,

I'm so sorry about your daughter's death. Oh my. I'm wishing you as much peace and comfort as you can get.

Tracy

Tracy J
Name: Tracy Jalbuena
Who do you know with myeloma?: Me
When were you/they diagnosed?: 2014
Age at diagnosis: 42

Re: Decision time - should I do an allo transplant?

by vicstir on Fri Nov 13, 2015 11:04 pm

Hello again Tracy,

Correct me if i am wrong but weren't you distressed previously about not being able to find a compatiable donor? Is it fair to assume the reason you wanted to find such a person was to do an Allo? In which case had you decided then (before a donor was found) that you were going to have an Allo if a donor was to be available?

If all the above is true then what has changed? Why now do you question a decision or option you thought was viable or a good way to go previously. Wasn't the T Cell thing already around then?

You have probably been through all these things a hundred times in your head already.

Sometimes your initial thought or avenue is the best. The more you think or contemplate the harder decisions get. I realise that this is a potential life or death decision. So keep it simple possibly does not apply.

Having said that and to reinterate what others are said. Sometimes what is in front of you or available right now is better then what may or may not ever come to be.

Does your family have an opinion?

Again good luck

Vicki

vicstir
Name: Vic
Who do you know with myeloma?: Myself
When were you/they diagnosed?: October 2013
Age at diagnosis: 39

Re: Decision time - should I do an allo transplant?

by Tracy J on Fri Nov 13, 2015 11:20 pm

Vicki,

That's true! A year ago I had decided to have an allo. It took this long to find even one potential match. But I did go through the entire decision-making process then. So it's a reasonable question to wonder what's different now.

First, the CAR-T stuff didn't sound so promising a year ago. There has been a lot more talk and excitement about it over this year. So as other treatments become more promising, allos become less appealing. I guess that's the only real substantive difference.

The other factor is that no matter how many times I go over the decision, I know I'll need to repeat the entire process anyway before ACTUALLY having an allo transplant. It would be impossible for me not to.

Tracy J
Name: Tracy Jalbuena
Who do you know with myeloma?: Me
When were you/they diagnosed?: 2014
Age at diagnosis: 42

Re: Decision time - should I do an allo transplant?

by vicstir on Fri Nov 13, 2015 11:43 pm

Hi Tracy,

Seems to me you have already made a decision if your last line is any indication. Lol. Do you have a time frame or when you think either treatment will proceed?

Are you for the most part healthy at the moment?

Lets face it alot can happen between now and when you have to decide 100%. So maybe don't stress and see how it all plays out.

I am very interested in the outcome of your visit with the transplant Doctor. i hope you can share the insights with us.

Thanks
Vicki

vicstir
Name: Vic
Who do you know with myeloma?: Myself
When were you/they diagnosed?: October 2013
Age at diagnosis: 39

Re: Decision time - should I do an allo transplant?

by seebee on Sat Nov 14, 2015 1:59 pm

TracyJ,

My heart is with you! Glad you are seeking out opinions. For me, after a time of anxiety and fierce research, I have always eventually come to a place of calm: one course just feels right. I can always back it up with logical analysis, but, in the end, I wonder if my emotions just land on something. And that's it. I haven't had to make the allo choice yet, though my doctor thinks it's in my future. So far, each treatment we choose works, but for a short while. So your decision process is important to me!

Isn't there some data out there that full matches are not necessary? In fact, that even half matches may be preferable in that some (but not too much) GVHD fights the myeloma? Sorry I can't back this approach up with data. Maybe someone else has a reference at their fingertips. Perhaps you may want to ask at Dana Farber? Maybe there is an option where you don't have to wait for a full (or near full) match? I feel that part of your anxiety is about the wait for a match. If one could be available when you are ready rather than when it's found, part of your anxiety about the decision would be lifted? Of course, it all depends on how fast / aggressive your multiple myeloma is. It sounds like you could wait a while, if you were comfortable that a match could be found when you need it?

FYI: My decision right now is to wait as long as I can before allo – to push all the other options as far as they will go first. I'm already on a trial that wasn't in the picture a couple of years ago. You never know what may pop up. I am calm and comfortable with that decision about 80% of the time. I trust my doctor, who is smart, experienced, and wise. The other 20% of the time I wonder about a different approach that throws everything available at it in quick succession. But, I'm also tied up in that I have to keep working to afford the health insurance that will pay for an allo. I could retire, but Medicare does not cover allos. And if I take too much time off, I fall into part time and insurance is not covered by my company.

When I come to the time for my own decision, I would do as you are and go to the top institutions for opinions. I've not thoroughly researched it, but since you went to Penn, you might also check out Jefferson in Philly that specializes in half match allos.

Coincidentally, my primary care physician had non-Hodgkin's and had a mini-allo at Dana Farber 8 years ago. He considers himself cured and works in internal medicine. Dana Farber is probably on the conservative end, while Arkansas is on the progressive end. Many more institutions align either way. I'll get opinions from differing philosophies, even though it may make the decision harder. I just couldn't decide unless I knew all the options and some way of weighting them. I'll decide what aspects are most important to me and weigh each option along several lines of analysis: e.g., success, risk, QOL, schedule, etc. Then, once all the data is out on the table, choose what feels best.

Not easy. And hardest during the time of gathering data. I'm an engineer, so learning how to tap into my emotions has been challenging. But I've found that works for me. A time comes when I'm DONE with research. My heart won't dig any further and it takes over from my head to make the decision.

I'm wishing you peace and calm as you work through the decision process and, ultimately, conviction in your choice!

seebee

Re: Decision time - should I do an allo transplant?

by mikeb on Mon Nov 16, 2015 1:47 am

Hi Tracy,
Congratulations on getting the match. If nothing else, that gives you the option of doing an allo. And having options is a good thing, even if making the decision about which option to pursue is tremendously difficult.

I don't have any advice on which choice to make. I don't even have any advice on how to go about making the decision. I think you've gotten good advice on that already from previous posters on this thread.

All I can do is tell you that I'm thinking of you and wishing you all the success in the world, whichever way you go with the decision.

Mike

mikeb
Name: mikeb
Who do you know with myeloma?: self
When were you/they diagnosed?: 2009 (MGUS at that time)
Age at diagnosis: 55

Re: Decision time - should I do an allo transplant?

by Mark11 on Mon Nov 16, 2015 10:54 am

To summarize the discussion, the three patients that did an allo transplant early in disease course are very happy with their decision and the people who never did one would try and avoid one.

Congrats to KarenH. A seven year myeloma therapy free remission! You deserve a lot of credit for doing an allo at age 59. If more younger patients had your positive mindset, myeloma may not be considered an incurable cancer!

Great to hear how well you are doing Cindy. Positive vibes bring sent your way that 6 years from now you will making the same post KarenH just made!

Mark11

Re: Decision time - should I do an allo transplant?

by Tracy J on Mon Nov 16, 2015 6:58 pm

Tomorrow is my appointment with Dr. John Koreth at Dana Farber. We are leaving at 4:30 in the morning, the appointment is at 10, and then we'll drive right back home. IF we don't run into traffic, it's a 4 hour drive, but we're going into Boston in the morning, so we are anticipating traffic.

Here is my list of questions for the transplant team so far. If this was your decision, what other things would you want to know from Dr. Koreth?

Questions for Dr. Koreth:

How many allogeneic transplants have you done, specifically for multiple myeloma?
Do you perform allos for other types of malignancies?
What is your TRM among multiple myeloma – allo patients?
What is your incidence of aGVHD? cGVHD? Severe cGVHD?
What is your PFS and OS for all patients? For GVHD patients?
Would this transplant be a fully myeloablative, or non-myeloablative?
Is this donor a good match? Great match? How likely is it that we could get a better match if we wait?
Can I have CAR T therapy after an allogeneic stem cell transplant?
Is that likely to change in the future?
Should we try to show MRD prior to transplant, rather than just CR?
What is the conditioning regimen? Does it include radiation?
What is the anticipated duration of my stay in Boston?
What portion of that is inpatient vs outpatient?

Thanks for your input, smart people!

Tracy J
Name: Tracy Jalbuena
Who do you know with myeloma?: Me
When were you/they diagnosed?: 2014
Age at diagnosis: 42

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