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Pain management for bone pain

by Lillyput189 on Fri Aug 22, 2014 12:03 pm

Hello everyone. Hope you are all having a good day.

I'm here again to ask a question. What do you guys take for pain management, specifically bone pain?

I have been using Tramadol, but it just isn't working anymore. My doctor is on vacation and his office is closed, so I thought I'd ask here. I don't want to sleep 24/7 and I'm very sensitive to pain meds - hey I even get drunk from cough syrup. LOL.

As usual, I thank you all for your comments. :-)

Lillyput189
Who do you know with myeloma?: Self
When were you/they diagnosed?: MGUS 2011, multiple myeloma 2014
Age at diagnosis: 54

Re: Pain management for bone pain

by NStewart on Fri Aug 22, 2014 3:12 pm

First of all, I'm so sorry that you're having problems with the pain. Doesn't your oncologist's office have a 24 hour number that you can call? If not, try calling your primary doctor's office and if necessary the after hour number.

I recently read an article that outlined the different medications that were most successful in treating the various types of pain. I don't remember if I saved the article, but I will look for it and send it to you if I find it.

Nancy in Phila

NStewart
Name: Nancy Stewart
Who do you know with myeloma?: self
When were you/they diagnosed?: 3/08
Age at diagnosis: 60

Re: Pain management for bone pain

by Lillyput189 on Fri Aug 22, 2014 3:22 pm

Hi Nancy in Philly,

Unfortunately, I am now living in Italy and August is vacation month. My only option is the ER and I really don't want to do that. I'll cross my fingers you find the article you referred to.

Thanks!

Lillyput189
Who do you know with myeloma?: Self
When were you/they diagnosed?: MGUS 2011, multiple myeloma 2014
Age at diagnosis: 54

Re: Pain management for bone pain

by DanielR on Fri Aug 22, 2014 3:29 pm

Lillyput,

I don't have a viable answer for you unless you live in Colorado. Like you, I am extremely drug sen­si­tive. My bone pain was severe (I actually had to adjust my personal pain scale to accommodate these new levels of pain) and nothing the pharmacy at Kaiser offered was effective. I tried at least 15 different pain meds. The pharmacist's answer was always, increase your dosage of Oxycontin [oxycodone]. All this did was made me loopy -- didn't touch the pain.

Interestingly, the pain management specialist at Kaiser said the only thing that would work is a specially bred version of cannabis (pot) that is high in cannabinoids (pain and seizure relief), but low in THC (stoned component). Unfortunately, this kind of pot is only available in Colorado.

In case you're wondering, regular pot, THC, and synthetic pot, are all useless for the kind of pain you're experiencing. I actually had the best success with a combo of Tramadol and methyl­pred­nisolone or dex.

If you do find anything that works, please let us all know!

Best of luck
Daniel

DanielR
Name: Daniel Riebow
Who do you know with myeloma?: Self
When were you/they diagnosed?: 12/2012
Age at diagnosis: 59

Re: Pain management for bone pain

by Multibilly on Fri Aug 22, 2014 3:47 pm

Lillyput,

Are you being treated yet for the underlying disease? If so, which drugs are you taking? Also, have you started a bisphosphonate yet? Treating the disease itself is obviously important.

I cannot speak to multiple myeloma bone pain myself, but I can speak to Tramadol for other bone and muscular pain I've experienced the past due to other conditions. I personally find that it is a pretty lightweight opiate, at least in my own experience. However, the thing I liked about it was that I could function completely normally while on it. Also, it is generally not as addictive as other opiates. Keep in mind that depending on how long you've been taking Tramadol, it's pain-killing effects can lessen over a period of months, so you may need to up your dose to get the same effect you may have when you first started it. Obviously, you should only increase your dose with a doctor's guidance.

BTW, why don't you want to go the ER? I can understand how that might be a financial concern in the USA, but in Italy, the cost of an ER visit would be extremely minimal (or $0), right???

Multibilly
Name: Multibilly
Who do you know with myeloma?: Me
When were you/they diagnosed?: Smoldering, Nov, 2012

Re: Pain management for bone pain

by barbara1200 on Fri Aug 22, 2014 8:19 pm

Lillyput,

Tramadol does come in at least 3 different strengths. I take it for spinal stenosis and I take the medium dose with 2 Tylenol [acetaminophen / paracetamol] and it does a pretty good job of controlling my pain. You may need the higher dosage, but I don't think you would have any problems functioning on it. It seems to be quite an easy prescription with little side effects.

barbara1200
Name: barb
Who do you know with myeloma?: myself
When were you/they diagnosed?: 2013
Age at diagnosis: 75

Re: Pain management for bone pain

by kefrewin on Sat Aug 23, 2014 2:14 am

Hi Lillyput,

I had some bone pain from the multiple myeloma but primarily had bone pain from broken vertebrae, and I used Oxycontin 20 mg, occasionally going up to 25mg, and also had a fast acting oxycodone if I needed immediate relief. I was able to function perfectly well on these amounts of Oxycontin, and was on it for two years. Coming off it was challenging though, and it took me six months to wean off the Oxycontin.

In the beginning, I had Tramadol that I could also use alongside the Oxycontin, but Tramadol made me "loopy", and I didn't like it at all, so didn't use it. I was also on dex and thalidomide at the time, and the dex probably helped with bone pain.

I currently use amitriptyline [Elavil] 20mg nocte [at night] for residual bone pain in my now healed vertebrae.

I am also quite sensitive to some pain management drugs, e.g., I can't take codeine, and it does seem that you have to find the right "package" that will suit you.

Cheers
Karen in New Zealand

kefrewin
Name: Karen Frewin NZ
Who do you know with myeloma?: Self
When were you/they diagnosed?: 2009
Age at diagnosis: 53

Re: Pain management for bone pain

by Lillyput189 on Sat Aug 23, 2014 8:02 am

Thank you everyone for your replies.

Daniel, I'm nowhere near Colorado LOL - thanks anyway.

MB - I don't like Italian ERs - suffice it to say I've had very bad experiences there. I'll be starting Velcade, Revlimid and Zometa as soon as my doctor gets back from vacation.

I guess I'll just try the max dose of Tramadol with 2 Tylenols and do a lot of sleeping until the 1st week of September.

You guys are all super. Thank you for always being here to help.

Lil

Lillyput189
Who do you know with myeloma?: Self
When were you/they diagnosed?: MGUS 2011, multiple myeloma 2014
Age at diagnosis: 54

Re: Pain management for bone pain

by Bob_D on Tue May 17, 2016 9:02 pm

I am a 60 year old male with 1.5 years of chemo behind me (and currently in progress) for lambda light chain, and I am still experiencing lots of bone pain. Here is where I think the bone pain is coming from and why I don't I feel that great.

Multiple myeloma cancer create soft/compressed bones and damaged spots in the bone (lesions) which causes pain and increase fractures. The weight of your own body puts pressure on the bones or lesions, and the muscles attached to the bones become tense and stiff. The chemo treatments are working in the bones, which cause bone pain and in the organ areas (digestive tract, groin).

I’m currently using the following bone pain management and relief plan combining as many as possible at the same time if I can.

1. Avoid situations that puts weight/pressure on the bones and muscles

Avoid walking on hard surfaces long periods of time (pavement, hard ground, ice). Feels better to:
- Walk on soft surfaces, wall to wall carpeting, grass, beach sand, snow, leaves, pine needles
- Wear padded shoes, shuffle feet and not use your heel so much
Avoid long periods of sitting (to reduce stiff muscles in the waist and hip)
Avoid over-exercise and overuse to the body (muscle become inflamed from overuse)
Avoid bouncing, shock and vibration (use a car with smooth ride)

2. Light exercise (non-impact)

Swimming, biking
Stretching, physical therapy, yoga
No jumping, running, jogging, downhill skiing

3. Support yourself

Wear a back brace around the waist
Lean on things when standing (tables, counters, furniture, walls )

4. Apply pressure to pain area

Press on the sore/aching areas
Massage the pain area

5. Use slower movements in the pain areas

Be slow while getting up from sitting (car seat, chair) and folding at the waist
Turning/rolling in bed

6. No heavy lifting or carrying (get someone else to do it for you)

7. Muscle relaxants - not so effective on days just after chemo treatment (1-2 days later)

Minor alcohol consumption (good for few hours or until bedtime)
Hot tub (good for 1/2 hr later)
Heating pad on sore muscles
Muscle relaxant drugs (Flexeril, if it works for you)

8.Take the pressure off the bones, especially towards end of the day

Float in a bathtub, hot tub, pool
Sit in reclining easy chair
Lie down and rest bones or stretch in bed on a padded floor/ground

9. Find pleasant distractions that take your mind off pain for awhile

Movies, magazines, computer activities

10. Find out when and what makes you feel good

I feel somewhat normal (the way I used to be) walking or standing during the first 1/2 hour after a night sleep. The pain gets worse throughout the day until I can lie down or sit in a recliner easy chair.

11. Not sure if these offer temporary/minor relief yet

Chiropractic adjustments
Acupuncture for six weeks
Equipment that allows you to hang upside down from your feet

12. Medical pain control methods

a) Pain killers (mostly for bone pain)

Nneed to find the one that works best for you or if it works at all. I had minor or not enough bone pain relief and some made me sick or sleepy from Dilaudid (hydromorphone), Vicodin//Norco (acetaminophen / paracetamol and hydrocodone), morphine sulfate (time release = Kadian), Percocet (oxycodone and acetaminophen / paracetamol).

Dex stops internal inflammation and helped reduce some bone pain (but I got bad insomnia).

Fentanyl (administered from a hospital only (emergency room, surgery room) works but has risks.

I need to try oxycodone (time release= Oxycontin) tramadol (brand name Tramal), amitriptyline (Elavil)

b)Bone building drugs - bisphosphonates (Zometa, Aredia), Xgeva, Prolia,

(I have an allergy to Xgeva and others are bad for my kidney)

c) Kyphoplasty procedure / surgery

Worked on the spine with compressed vertebrae and fractures, (I got instantaneous pain relief to the affected lumbar areas: L1 to L5), but pain is more obvious in my sacrum and hip now)

d) Radiation

Non-invasive, localized radiation slowly relieving pain from bone lesions
(I am holding off in case I need a future bone marrow transplant; II have not yet tried radiopharmaceuticals - Quadramet®)

e) Cortisone shots / injection

Corticosteroids are fast-acting anti-inflammatory medications given into joints: ankle, elbow, hip, knee, shoulder, spine and wrist to relieve pain and inflammation in a specific area of your body
(thinking about it if the pain does not going away in my hip)

f) Hip replacement (thinking about if if pain not going away in the long run)

Bob_D
Name: Bob_D
Who do you know with myeloma?: me
When were you/they diagnosed?: March 2015
Age at diagnosis: 59

Re: Pain management for bone pain

by Bob_D on Wed Jun 22, 2016 1:20 pm

Using Physical Aids To Relieve Back Pain

1. If you’ve had disc compression and lost some height (I lost 6 inches), your abdomen probably bulges out (especially later in the day), causing some back pain. I found that wearing 2 braces – one for holding my stomach in, and one for supporting my lower back – feels good and relieves pain. I lie down so that my stomach is flat before I put my brace on around my stomach, and then stand up and put my lower back brace on just above or around my hip.

Some doctors may say it's not good to wear back braces, and this may be true for normal people. But since myeloma made my bones so weak and fragile, my back muscles are already overworking to keep my body together, and my muscles eventually tense up during the day, causing back and muscle pain. The extra support from the braces feels secure and helps relieves lot of pain. (The braces are stretchable fabric adjustable with Velcro and look like a tuxedo cummerbund.)

2. I started using crutches with extra padding under the shoulders to prop up my body when standing for long periods of time. I raised the height of the crutches as high as I could to take weight off my lower back, and lift one leg at a time from time to time so my toe touches the floor. Sometimes I rest my elbows on the top of the crutches and I don’t use the crutches for walking.

3. I bought some extra thick foam inserts with arch supports for my shoes that had no padding, and this felt great and cushioned the shock to my back when I walk. I also added arch supports to my sneakers, which also helped a lot.

Bob_D
Name: Bob_D
Who do you know with myeloma?: me
When were you/they diagnosed?: March 2015
Age at diagnosis: 59

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