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Not really convinced I should start treatment

by f cancer on Mon Oct 26, 2015 5:29 pm

At 54, I was recently diagnosed in April 2015. I had back pain which I thought was a kidney stone but turned into multiple myeloma . I had a lesion on my L3. They did a single radiation treatment that completely removed the tumor causing the lesion.

I have an M spike under 1 g/dL (10 g/L) and after the bone marrow biopsy they found 10-15% in the hip. So my numbers are and I feel absolutely great. I have no symptoms at all. My back and everything else feels totally normal but because I had above 10% in my hip biopsy and a single lesion, I have multiple myeloma.

I start chemo in 2 weeks because I need to do some dental work first. I can play tennis, golf etc without pain. Having a hard time putting chemo in my body when I feel so "normal". Doctor wants to do a stem cell transplant after chemo. It's so hard to hear this when I feel so good. I heard the transplant is a rough process and takes several months to recuperate from (6-9), including a month in the hospital.

Tough to digest breaking down my body with chemo and transplants when I feel like I can run a marathon. Very confused

:?: .

f cancer

Re: Not really convinced I should start treatment

by Multibilly on Mon Oct 26, 2015 6:39 pm

f cancer -

I can totally understand your hesitancy given that you are right on the edge of having been diagnosed with symptomatic multiple myeloma instead of just a solitary plasmacytoma.

I normally say that if one is symptomatic (which you technically are), one should begin drug treatment right away. But really, only a doctor can make this call.

But given your situation with only one plasmacytoma and a fairly low bone marrow plasma cell percentage (BMPC%), I might suggest getting a second or third opinion from a top myeloma specialist. Also, specialists are quite divided on the subject of early versus late versus no transplant, so I think its always good to hear 2-3 different professional opinions from 2-3 different institutions before going down a major path like the one that has been laid in front of you.

In any case, I wouldn't let the fact that you feel great enter into the equation, but would instead go by the numbers and existing issues and, most importantly, by what the doctors recommend in your particular circumstance. Multiple myeloma can often cause a lot of damage before one feels any the worse for it.

If you let us know what city you are in, folks on this site can make some recommendations as to where to find these specialists.

Multibilly
Name: Multibilly
Who do you know with myeloma?: Me
When were you/they diagnosed?: Smoldering, Nov, 2012

Re: Not really convinced I should start treatment

by Cheryl G on Mon Oct 26, 2015 7:26 pm

Hi,

I think Multibilly has things pretty well covered (as we all would expect!).

The only additional thing I would suggest looking at is your hemoglobin, serum calcium, serum creatinine, and kappa and lambda serum free light chain levels, and your kappa/lambda serum free light chain ratio.

Are any or all of these in the normal ranges, and how have the values been trending since your initial diagnosis earlier this year?

Cheryl G

Re: Not really convinced I should start treatment

by f cancer on Tue Oct 27, 2015 1:29 pm

I am using a multiple myeloma specialist at Mount Sinai Hospital in New York City who I hold in high regard. My blood work shows well:

hemoglobin - 14.6 (normal)
serum calcium - 9.8 (normal)
serum creatinine - 1.29 (normal)

kappa serum free light chain - 15.36 (normal)
lambda serum free light chain - 20.70 (normal)
kappa/lambda serum free light chain ratio - 0.742 (normal)

Trending has been level over the past 8 months. I can accept the chemo treatment especially if I am able to work while going through it. I also understand the need to freeze several bags of stem cells for future use.

I just need more data on the transplant itself. Why not see how long I can stay in remission after going through the chemo first? Since I am relatively young for this disease and my numbers are good, I have a high percentage of reaching remission and I have read of patients staying in remission for several years.

I really appreciate the responses! Thank You

f cancer

Re: Not really convinced I should start treatment

by Multibilly on Tue Oct 27, 2015 4:25 pm

f cancer,

Glad you found a doctor who you respect and that you don't meet any of the CRA criteria in the overall CRAB criteria. I've heard others on the forum speak well of Mt Sinai in New York.

To see some of the more popular discussions regarding the decision to transplant early, later or never, I suggest you look at this article. Also note the additional links that the Beacon Staff included in the comments section of this article.

Tom Shell, "Myeloma in Paradise: When To Get A Stem Cell Transplant?", The Myeloma Beacon, March 13, 2015

It will take a while to read through all these threads (and their additional embedded links), but I think you may find them to be insightful as you weigh the transplant decision.

As you read through these threads, you will quickly learn that there is no perfect decision when it comes to transplants. It's basically a leap of faith no matter which path you choose and most everyone on this forum respects the transplant choice that each person makes.

Take care.

Multibilly
Name: Multibilly
Who do you know with myeloma?: Me
When were you/they diagnosed?: Smoldering, Nov, 2012

Re: Not really convinced I should start treatment

by f cancer on Tue Oct 27, 2015 5:16 pm

Appreciate the insight and links and will take advantage of reading them. Luckily I will be doing 3 or 4 cycles of chemo, giving me time to make an educated decision regarding the transplant.

How great would it be to go into remission with chemo freezing 3 bags off stem cells as an insurance policy and while waiting for the inevitable return of the "M" a cure surfaces. I did have one myeloma specialist say that it was likely a cure for multiple myeloma will take place in my lifetime. Yes I have opted to concentrate on the positives.

Knowledge and understanding of multiple myeloma is a must for a person diagnosed. I actually feel better just typing about my life's speed bump. Thanks to this site ...

f cancer

Re: Not really convinced I should start treatment

by f cancer on Fri Oct 30, 2015 10:42 am

I forgot to add something to my numbers the other day. I am biclonal.

f cancer

Re: Not really convinced I should start treatment

by dustydenimdad on Mon Nov 02, 2015 6:15 pm

Hey F Cancer,

I'm also being treated at Mount Sinai. I see a doctor from the bone marrow transplant team, and another from the myeloma team. Like you, I was unsure whether or not to proceed with transplantation subsequent to induction therapy. I discussed this matter separately with 3 doctors, and posed the same questions to each of them: Why not wait and see what happens? Why not wait until my M-spike begins to trend upward?

"We know what's going to happen - it's going to come back," responded one of them. "It's important to attack the disease while it's dormant, as opposed to when it's active," responded another. In short, they all erred on the side of transplanting early. And with that I submitted myself for transplantation two months after induction therapy concluded, and while still in remission. In fact, I recently completed my transplant. The important thing, for me, was that I was comfortable in my decision.

I think Multibilly is right: Seek 2-3 opinions from specialists before making a decision. You might even be able to do so at Mount Sinai. (Aside: Mount Sinai recently added Dr. Barlogie, a myeloma specialist from the University of Arkansas. I hear good things about him.)

Additionally, it is worth remembering that remission, unfortunately, is not necessarily a given. Thus, it might be worth it to see how well you respond to induction therapy before staking out a position.

Finally, have you had a FISH panel to determine if any chromosomal abnormalities are present? That would certainly influence your opinion one way or another.

Whatever you decide, I wish you nothing but the best. Should you have any questions about what it was like receiving a transplant at Mount Sinai, please do not hesitate to send me a message.

dustydenimdad
Name: Paul Garcia
Who do you know with myeloma?: Me
When were you/they diagnosed?: 2010
Age at diagnosis: 24

Re: Not really convinced I should start treatment

by f cancer on Wed Dec 02, 2015 11:34 am

Dusty:

Thanks for the reply. How's it going post transplant? Did you have it done at Mount Sinai NYC? Did you stay in the hospital for 4 weeks during the process?

I am thinking of scheduling a consultation at Dana Farber but get the feeling that the main centers are all following the same protocol. Being a skeptic in life, I sometimes feel like the specialist need more data on SCT so they are currently leading candidates in that direction adding in the "of course the decision is up to you" disclaimer.

I start my first treatment in a few days (RVD) and it's going to be a tough pill to swallow (pun intended) because I am feeling no ill effects from myeloma.

Hope you are doing well.

f cancer

Re: Not really convinced I should start treatment

by dustydenimdad on Wed Dec 09, 2015 4:39 pm

You're very welcome.

I'm feeling pretty good post-transplant. The most difficult, persistent side effect has been muscle soreness and tightness, but it's fairly common. I try to get out and walk as much as possible to re-condition my muscles.

You are correct: the ASCT was performed at Mount Sinai, and I remained hospitalized for a total of 16 days. The staff was truly remarkable. They were attentive, supportive, and made sure I was as comfortable as possible. In addition, Mount Sinai offers a range of other alternative supports: arts & crafts; massage therapy; people who come by and play live music; and a wide range of spiritual services.

Like you, I felt completely normal prior to beginning induction therapy. Thankfully, I also felt pretty good throughout induction therapy. I know it's going to be a hard pill to swallow, but well worth the (hopefully) minor side effects.

If you don't mind me asking, what was your M-Spike at diagnosis? Has it continued to trend upward since then? Also, did you have a FISH panel performed to determine if you have any abnormalities?

Best of luck as you begin treatment. You're in excellent hands at Mount Sinai.

dustydenimdad
Name: Paul Garcia
Who do you know with myeloma?: Me
When were you/they diagnosed?: 2010
Age at diagnosis: 24

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