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Re: Ninlaro (ixazomib) vs. Velcade

by Nancy Shamanna on Tue Jan 12, 2016 9:30 am

According to information at the FDA website:

Ixazomib citrate is approved to be used with lenalidomide and dexamethasone to treat:

Multiple myeloma in patients who have already received at least one other type of treatment.

Ixazomib citrate is also being studied in the treatment of other types of cancer.

This information would indicate that ixazomib is used along with Revlimid and dex. Thus, the CBC would probably be tested once in 28 days, which is the same as for the Revlimid. It is for the treat­ments given by IV or infusion at the cancer centre, such as Velcade, that blood tests are taken before the treatment. At least, that is the protocol at the cancer centre here.

Nancy Shamanna
Name: Nancy Shamanna
Who do you know with myeloma?: Self and others too
When were you/they diagnosed?: July 2009

Re: Ninlaro (ixazomib) vs. Velcade

by DanielR on Sun Feb 21, 2016 3:39 pm

I just started my second cycle with Ninlaro this morning. We dropped the dose from 4 mg to 3 mg due to extreme energy depletion with the 4 mg. I also just got my CBC for this cycle (and yes, CBC is only required at the beginning of each 4-week cycle), and it looks really promising. With the extremely minor exception of cell volume (which has consistently been above the standard range since my myeloma saga began back in 2012), all my numbers were within the standard range. Yes, my RBC was at the very bottom of the range, but that's much better than what it had been.

I will get my full blood panel done at the end of this month and should have the results by around March 5th. That will, of course, provide substantially more info as to how well the Ninlaro may or may not be working. With the exception of extreme energy drain and constipation, side effects have been minimal. So far, I've had virtually none of the peripheral neuropathy that had been such a nagging problem with Revlimid and Velcade. I was particularly concerned about nausea. The idea of throwing up such a costly pill led me to take a quick-dissolve ondansetron (Zofran) with the first two doses, but I now take them alone and have had no nausea at all. I now anticipate the constipation and manage it prophylactically.

Here's how I ended up being the first patient in Hawaii on Ninlaro. I was diagnosed in January of 2013 with del(17p) IgG kappa light chain myeloma. No one expected me to leave the hospital alive, but I did. No one expected me to survive the initial induction phase with Revlimid, Velcade, and dex (RVD), but I did. Not only did I survive, but I responded miraculously.

I had an autologous stem cell transplant (ASCT) at City of Hope in May/June of 2013 and achieved a very good partial response (VGPR), Shortly thereafter, I was placed on a mainte­nance dose of Velcade and dex for about 1 year. My numbers continued to be so improved that all treatment was suspended sometime around June of 2014 and I remained in "remission" until sometime around March of 2015, when new lesions were discovered in my mid thoracic. I underwent 10 treatments with radiation and went back on the Velcade and dex (VD).

The real problem with my case (17p aside) is that even with active multiple myeloma in the thoracic, none of my blood work indicated that it was active. My IgG was well within the normal range and my M-spike was only 0.14 g/dl (140 mg/dl, 1.4 g/L). Admittedly, my IgA and IgM were well below normal, but no one seemed to think that was problematic.

So the question for my oncologists and myself became, how do we track myeloma activity when the blood work is no longer really helpful. We're still trying to work that one out. I just had my second full body MRI and I had a PET/CT in November of last year. So far so good, except that my numbers had again increased to beyond the levels they had been when I relapsed.

In my mind I was convinced that my multiple myeloma had become refractory to Velcade. Eventually my oncologist agreed, very hesitantly so, I might add. The discussions then became, what now? My choice was Darzalex (daratumumab), but I was told I couldn't yet qualify. We decided to try adding 25 mg Revlimid. I almost immediately broke out in a rather severe rash and was unable to complete the first cycle.

Hence, the next logical choice, again in my mind, was to try Kyprolis or Ninlaro. Very logically my oncologist argued in favor of Kyprolis. While I was very drawn to the excellent side effect profile and apparent efficacy, I was not at all enthralled with the idea of spending 5 hours twice a week at the local Kaiser facility!

So I began arguing in favor of Ninlaro due to its convenience. My oncologist's concern was that it was so new, it had not been tested as a single agent and there was no information at all as to its effectiveness on del (17p) patients. He saw Ninlaro as an experiment in my case and just wasn't comfortable with that. Obviously I couldn't disagree with his logic. On the other hand, I did argue that no matter what we chose, given my unique history, it would be an experiment if for no other reason than the fact that there is virtually no clinical information pertaining to 17p patients.

So while I couldn't argue against his logic, neither could he argue against mine. Eventually we agreed to give the Ninlaro a try. So here we are beginning my second cycle of Ninlaro. My CBC results look very promising but, if after 3-4 cycles that promise isn't realized, we'll go to the Kyprolis or consider adding a third agent (maybe pomalidomide?).

Because the Ninlaro is so new, no one seemed to know for sure what the protocol should be. 5 weeks in I think it's now mostly worked out: CBC before the start of each cycle; full blood panel every 6 weeks.

I'll keep you all posted.

DanielR
Name: Daniel Riebow
Who do you know with myeloma?: Self
When were you/they diagnosed?: 12/2012
Age at diagnosis: 59

Re: Ninlaro (ixazomib) vs. Velcade

by Chris M on Sun Feb 21, 2016 8:44 pm

Hello,

My husband will start his second cycle of Ninlaro and Cytoxan tomorrow. His hematologist had him get weekly CBCs done the first cycle so she could monitor him more closely this first month. He sees her next week, so we'll learn then if he still needs weekly CBCs or switch to monthly along with the comprehensive metabolic panel and M-protein tests. His platelets have dropped each week during this first cycle, but so far they are still within the bottom range of normal. We'll find out next week if the first cycle of Ninlaro and Cytoxan helped with the M-protein or not. Fingers crossed ...

He's not taking Revlimid and dexamethasone with Ninlaro (as FDA approved it) because he slowly relapsed on those during 2015. Perhaps more important, Revlimid and dexametha­sone also contributed to his ICU stay just before Christmas with several pulmonary embolisms in both lungs. He also had significant shortness of breath for a couple years prior to the embolisms, and significant fatigue. We aren't sure if his long-term breathing problems were primarily from the Revlimid and dex, or possibly the Kyprolis / Revlimid / dexamethasone he took during a 24-cycle clinical study when he was first diagnosed.

At any rate, I was very relieved when his doctor suggested changing treatments last month. He has felt a lot better overall on the two new treatments so far!

Best wishes,
Chris M.

Chris M

Re: Ninlaro (ixazomib) vs. Velcade

by Robert on Mon Feb 22, 2016 3:00 pm

I've been interested in considering Ninlaro, too, but wondered about side effects, especially neuropathy. If neuropathy continued to be a problem, were you able to take supplements such as lipoic acid, or were you advised to stop them – for one day as for Velcade, or for the entire cycle? Is it necessary to continue taking an antiviral to prevent shingles?

Best wishes for great results for all who are on this new drug.

Robert

Re: Ninlaro (ixazomib) vs. Velcade

by Chris M on Mon Feb 22, 2016 5:40 pm

Hi Robert,

My husband, who just started his second cycle of Ninlaro and Cytoxan, already has neuropathy from more than 4 years on Revlimid. It's the numbness, not the painful kind, but still a side effect. He thinks the neuropathy has improved a little bit over the last month, so we are hopeful it will continue to improve. But if it doesn't, it's tolerable at the current level. With his doctor's permission, he took vitamin B complex and then gabapentin for a while, but they didn't help with the numbness, so he stopped taking them.

His doctor did put him back on acyclovir antiviral when she switched him to Ninlaro. He hadn't been on that drug for quite a while; he took it for about a year after being first diagnosed. I'm not sure if she prescribed it solely because of the Ninlaro, or because his M-spike had increased during his relapse while on Revlimid and dex, or both. I'll try to remember to ask her exactly why when we see her this week.

Best wishes,
Chris M.

Chris M

Re: Ninlaro (ixazomib) vs. Velcade

by tpt on Mon Feb 22, 2016 10:10 pm

Hi,

My Dad has always had his CBC done prior to Velcade. The doc wants to check the blood counts, since all chemotherapy drugs tend to suppress the counts. This is especially true for our family, since thalassemia runs in our family (average hemoglobin is around 10-11.0)

Tpt

tpt

Re: Ninlaro (ixazomib) vs. Velcade

by Chris M on Sat Feb 27, 2016 8:05 am

Hello,

My husband saw his University of Michigan hematologist this week, and we learned his M-spike ticked up slightly during this first cycle taking Ninlaro and Cytoxan. Since it's only the first cycle and he's tolerating them well, the plan is to continue and reevaluate things at the end of cycle 2.

We also learned the reason he was put back on acyclovir was because he's taking Ninlaro and his CBC can be done every other week now.

Best wishes,
Chris M.

Chris M

Re: Ninlaro (ixazomib) vs. Velcade

by DanielR on Fri Apr 01, 2016 9:52 pm

Well, as of today I am sorry to report that Ninlaro, at least as a single agent, has not worked for me. I just got the latest of my blood work numbers and for the 3rd month in a row, they have all continued to increase. My IgG is now well above the normal range, and my IgA and IgM are both well below the normal range. Needless to say, my M-spike has also continuously increased.

What I have been unable to discern is whether my extreme lethargy, nausea, body aches, etc., have been caused by the Ninlaro or the multiple myeloma itself. I see my oncologist next Tuesday and I expect we'll try another drug. My preference would be Darzalex and maybe Kyprolis, despite all the potential side effects.

I hope the rest of you fare better than I have with Ninlaro.

Aloha
Daniel

DanielR
Name: Daniel Riebow
Who do you know with myeloma?: Self
When were you/they diagnosed?: 12/2012
Age at diagnosis: 59

Re: Ninlaro (ixazomib) vs. Velcade

by Chris M on Mon Apr 04, 2016 12:20 pm

Hi Daniel R,

I'm really sorry that Ninlaro didn't work for you. I'm also sorry to say that my husband's myeloma did not respond to Ninlaro with Cytoxan while he took it for two months. (Please see above posts explaining why he was not also taking Revlimid and dex with it). My husband felt so good while taking the Ninlaro and we were both very disappointed that he didn't respond to it.

After discussing other treatment options with his University of Michigan hematologist, he decided to enroll in a Phase I clinical drug study for another new monoclonal antibody: MPDL3280A (atezolizumab). He has to pass several pre-study tests next week first, but we don't expect those to be a problem for him.

MPDL3280A (atezolizumab) was granted FDA priority review for bladder cancer last month; here's a press release from Roche about the filing.

Currently, there are numerous other clinical studies using MPDL3280A, but the one for multiple myeloma is this one:

"A Study of Atezolizumab (Anti-Programmed Death Ligand 1 [PD-L1] Antibody) Administered With or Without Lenalidomide in Participants With Multiple Myeloma"

I truly hope Ninlaro works well for everyone else.

Best wishes,
Chris M.

Chris M

Re: Ninlaro (ixazomib) vs. Velcade

by Christina on Mon Apr 04, 2016 5:24 pm

My doctor only gets the CBC and CMP every 2 weeks. And this time, it will be even a longer gap. At first, they really want to be sure your platelets are ok and WBC, RBC.

I think after a number of cycles, as in my case, he has a pretty good idea that my labs have been good.

Christina
Name: Christina
When were you/they diagnosed?: June2005
Age at diagnosis: 52

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