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New member with some questions

by MrPotatohead on Wed Jun 10, 2015 3:06 am

Hello everyone

I started having some abnormal CBC results back in April, 2012, but my doctor dismissed them as only slightly out of range. However, when I had an MRI this past March for a bad back, the orthopedic surgeon asked my doctor to do further testing, and that is how I got diagnosed. I was told that I had kappa light-chain myeloma, and that there was a lot of damage to my bones. Treatment started with Revlimid and Zometa.

If anyone can help me with the following questions, I would be most grateful:

  1. My oncologist tells me the Revlimid is knocking back the cancer. However, I still have a lot of bone pain and have not noticed any improvement there. I have been on the Revlimid and Zometa for three months. How long before one feels better?
  2. Just how common is the ONJ of the jaw as a side effect of Zometa? I have read rates ranging from 2% up to 15%. Does anyone really know?
  3. I was told that my "performance status" was not good enough to do a stem cell transplant. What does that mean?
  4. I have been encouraged to exercise, but also told to "take it easy" given the state of my bones. How does one reconcile these bits of contradictory advice.
  5. I was also told that I fall into the "intermediate" risk category, based on prognostic criteria. Any ideas on what this means.
  6. For those who have chosen to fight this cancer, are you glad you did? I'm trying to decide between doing that and going to hospice, given my current extremely poor quality of life.
Thanks and God bless you all.

MrPotatohead
Name: MrPotatohead
Who do you know with myeloma?: Me
When were you/they diagnosed?: March, 2015
Age at diagnosis: 65

Re: New member with some questions

by philatour on Wed Jun 10, 2015 9:55 am

It's good to meet you. Multiple myeloma sure is a tough diagnosis, yet offers the chance for worthwhile quality of life. It sounds like bone pain is a major issue for you at present, along with concerns over the amount of damage to your bones and your bad back. My husband was diagnosed about 2 years ago. It's been an up and down journey, including a handful of tough times, more happy days and most are ordinary life. He remains in treatment.

How is the relationship with your doctor? What kind of pain management options has he/she presented? An open and constructive working relationship with your doctor is crucial. Multiple myeloma is complex. It is very important to have a myeloma specialist evaluate your case. If you ARE being seen by a myeloma specialist, a second opinion is a good idea, especially in light of 'performance status' does not make you a stem cell transplant candidate; you are in the intermediate risk category; and you are considering what role, if any, should treatment play in your life.

You have the light chain only form of the disease, found in 20ish % of myeloma patients at time of diagnosis. It is unlikely an M spike shows up on your blood work; the docs rely on the serum free light chain and urine tests to get an accurate read on your disease status. Myeloma specialist centers offer a broad array of services and tremendous expertise. They can advise you whether your bone lesion status requires bone stabilizing procedures and whether radiation is advisable for your pain. They can recommend a local oncologist if you are not geographically close enough to be treated at the center itself. Go to the 'Resources' heading on the top menu bar here, scroll to the bottom. There's a link to a directory of treatment center sites.

Things you can do outside of chemotherapy to manage the disease:

  1. Given your bad back, ask for a physical therapy prescription and a recommendation, if at all possible, to a therapist with cancer patient experience. Knowing how to do exercise and what kind to do is a helpful part of managing the disease
  2. Your risk of infection and pneumonia is higher - certainly higher than ONJ. Frequent hand washing, avoiding sick people, buffets, pneumonia vaccine and flu shots, etc. all help you to protect yourself outside of multiple myeloma specific chemotherapy treatment.
  3. Do you know which kind of symptoms (fevers, rashes, nausea, diarrhea, etc) should trigger a call to the doctor or, if significant enough, an immediate emergency room visit?
  4. If you haven't already done so, see your dentist re: your concerns about ONJ and to make sure he/she knows to check you for ONJ as you are taking IV biphosphonates.
  5. Nutrition matters. There are several threads on the forum about nutrition.
One of the Beacon's columnists discussed ONJ in this month's column. Go to the Opinion tab on the top menu bar and look for Andrew Gordon.

Have you found a local support group, ideally for multiple myeloma? Ask where to find the nearest myeloma support group if your doctor's office does not have that information. The support group is a great place to get advice from others who are in your situation, feedback on pain and symptom management and what to consider for next steps, and learn about insurance and copay assistance, and to offer support to others. Your doctor also is a good place to start for a referral to patient counseling resources in your area. The large myeloma centers often have them in house and can be a real godsend when you need to get over a hump and consider next steps.

All the best to you and yours.

philatour
Who do you know with myeloma?: spouse

Re: New member with some questions

by JimNY on Wed Jun 10, 2015 2:27 pm

Hi MrPotatohead,

Welcome to the forum.

Philatour already gave you a lot of useful advice. I'll just try to hit on a couple of questions you had that may still be open.

"Performance status" is a phrase doctors use to describe a patient's general health and ability to do the usual, day-to-day activities most people do. There actually are different "scales" that have been developed to try to put into numbers what this general concept tries to measure. The Wikipedia article on the topic has more information, in case you're interested:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Performance_status

Many (most?) doctors believe it is not a good idea for myeloma patients who have poor general health to undergo a stem cell transplant. The risk of life-threatening complications, such as heart problems or infections, is believed to be much higher in such patients.

As for being "intermediate risk", this means that characteristics of your myeloma when you were diagnosed indicate that it is somewhat aggressive (hard to treat). One of the key things these days that determines a myeloma patient's "risk" classification is the chromosomal abnormalities found in the patient's myeloma cells taken during a bone marrow biopsy. But there are other factors that come into play.

Of course, how aggressive a patient's disease is also influences the patient's long-term prognosis. But it's always important to remember that each patient's case is unique. There may be averages and medians, but nothing is a given with this disease.

Hope this helps a bit. You may be able to find more answers to questions you have by going to the "Useful Links to Previous Forum Discussions" posting at the top of the "Treatments & Side Effects" part of the forum. Here's a link to the posting:

https://myelomabeacon.org/forum/links-existing-forum-discussions-t3780.html

Also, searching the forum with the forum search box works best when you type in single words, like "zometa", "Revlimid", "bone", etc (without the quotation marks). It doesn't work as well with multiple words or phrases.

Good luck!

JimNY

Re: New member with some questions

by MrPotatohead on Wed Jun 10, 2015 10:38 pm

:) Thanks so much, Philatour and JimNY, as well as everyone else responsible for the great info on this site. Very helpful. When I got the diagnosis I felt completely overwhelmed. I now have some direction in helping me get my sea legs back.

MrPotatohead
Name: MrPotatohead
Who do you know with myeloma?: Me
When were you/they diagnosed?: March, 2015
Age at diagnosis: 65

Re: New member with some questions

by dustydenimdad on Thu Jun 11, 2015 10:46 am

Welcome to the forum, MrPotatohead.

Like you, I received conflicting information about exercise from my doctors: exercise, but do take it easy. After a few weeks of confusion, I finally asked them to explain. Essentially, I was told to do what I was comfortable with (and allow myself adequate rest). I had a lot of "bony disease," and so anything involving contact was out of the question (there go my boxing hopes - I kid, I kid). With this in mind, I walked as much as I could tolerate, and on days I wasn't up for walking, I tried a little yoga. Much to my delight, I found yoga instructors to be sympathetic to my cause. Which is to say they helped me find tolerable positions that wouldn't compromise any areas burdened with tumors.

Besides the physical benefits of exercise, I found that exercise provided a temporary reprieve from much of the anxiety associated with a cancer diagnosis. Though perhaps more important, exercise -- at whatever capacity -- endowed me with a sense of autonomy not known since before my diagnosis. There's so much about Myeloma beyond our control, but being able to control some things -- what I eat, how much I exercise, etc. -- empowered me and, simply stated, helped me feel good -- even during the toughest of times.

Lastly, if you don't already, I'd recommend writing down your questions before meeting with your doctors. Also, if possible, email him/her your questions prior to your appointment. It's a simple act with great benefits.

Be sure to keep us updated!

Wishing you the very best,

Paul

dustydenimdad
Name: Paul Garcia
Who do you know with myeloma?: Me
When were you/they diagnosed?: 2010
Age at diagnosis: 24

Re: New member with some questions

by Carol of Eden on Thu Jun 11, 2015 4:29 pm

Hi Mr. Potatohead,

You said you are on Revlimid (which has not produced much improvement in symptoms) and Zometa (for bones). Usually a 2 or 3 drug "cocktail" is used to treat the myeloma - say Revlimid along with dexamethasone and Velcade or another drug. Are you only getting the Revlimid?

Is your doctor an oncologist/hematologist, or a myeloma specialist? Hem/oncs only see a very limited number of myeloma patients. Myeloma specialists are up on the latest news/options and have many tricks up their sleeve.

I have seen people here and on other forums relate that their initial treatment was not very successful, but changes were made and they found a more effective treatment. I'm just wondering if your doc has considered all the options and has a plan should you continue to not improve adequately.

Even if you are not a candidate for a stem cell transplant at this time, I don't think that precludes the possibility at a later time, if you can regain more health. It sounds like your doctor does not explain things very well. Of course, it is hard to take it in, when ill and in pain and shock. You might want to ask what would need to change in your condition that could make you eligible.

I hope you feel better soon!

Carol of Eden
Name: Carol
Who do you know with myeloma?: myself
When were you/they diagnosed?: MGUS 2009, SMM 2013
Age at diagnosis: 50

Re: New member with some questions

by PaulaAndrade on Thu Jun 11, 2015 5:52 pm

Hello and Welcome!

My husband has never been given a stage. To this day, 2 years and a stem cell transplant later, we have no idea what we are facing.

To answer your question: We have good days and we have bad days.

The post-transplant immunizations are torture for my husband. He is usually sick for about 3 days following them. Thank goodness he only has to get them every 3 months. The Zometa is a monthly IV infusion, and this puts him down for about 2.5 days on average.

Mike has never returned to his old self. He suffers with neuropathy from the Velcade that he has been off of for over 1.5 years. He sometimes makes statements about why he puts himself through the treatments. We have 3 kids and that is why he moves forward everyday. He is considering stopping the Zometa infusion.

When he was diagnosed he did not have a sternum bone arms ribs and spine had lesions. Since the transplant he has been in remission but still feels like he has the flu everyday.

He goes in for his 1-year anniversary "restage" this month. Since they cannot stage him, they just do a PET scan and see if there is anything new from the last one a year ago. I just wish we had more answers.

Good luck to everyone fighting this fight!!!

P.S.: My husband is also on Revlimid maintenance daily now. But early on, he was on Velcade, Revlimid, dex, and Zometa.

PaulaAndrade
Name: Paula
Who do you know with myeloma?: Husband
When were you/they diagnosed?: June 2013
Age at diagnosis: 40

Re: New member with some questions

by Mister Dana on Fri Jun 12, 2015 12:32 am

Mr Potatohead --

Regarding "intermediate" risk: as JimNY wrote, that refers to the Mayo Clinic guidelines known as MSMART, which uses the risk categories standard, intermediate and high risk based mainly on the mutations found in your cancer cells. At one time standard risk called for two chemo drugs, intermediate for three.

I had a principal mutation that put me in standard, but additional chromosomal craziness elevated me to intermediate, so I got three drugs: cyclophosphamide, bortezomib (Velcade) and "dex", a common treatment, although many get Revlimid instead of Velcade. Intermediate sounds bad, but the chemo wiped out my nonsecretory multiple myeloma cells, at least temporarily. I kept taking the stuff for five months. Then a high dose of melphalan with rescue stem cell transplant delivered a second blow against myeloma hiding in my marrow.

If you continue to improve with Revlimid and perhaps additional drugs, you may become well enough for transplant, or for maintenance with some other drug. Three months would be a short time to throw in the towel. A note of hope: with the lowering of my cancer "burden" and Zometa to help grow new bone, my back pain eventually went away; I hope yours does too.

Mister Dana

Mister Dana
Name: Mister Dana
Who do you know with myeloma?: Me
When were you/they diagnosed?: December 2013
Age at diagnosis: 66

Re: New member with some questions

by MrPotatohead on Fri Jun 12, 2015 6:32 pm

Thanks for the tips, dustydenimdad. I have a dog, so I have no excuse for not walking. I had not thought of yoga, but will give that a try as well. Appreciate the advice!

Hi Carol of Eden. I forgot to mention that I am getting prednisone as well as the Revlimid. I will ask my oncologist why I am not being treated more aggressively the next time I see him. He does have a lot of experience with multiple myeloma, but I think I will pursue a second opinion from a myeloma center. There is a well-known one about 100 miles from where I live. Thanks so much for your input.

PaulaAndrade, thanks so much for sharing your experience. Fortunately, I am not getting any side effects from either the Zometa or Revlimid (at least not yet). I hope Mike turns the corner toward feeling better real soon.

Mister Dana, thanks so much for your explanation of "intermediate" risk. I think I am in the same boat as you. My oncologist mentioned that if I did not have some chromosomal anomalies, I would have been pegged at a lower risk. It seems that with this illness, you really do need to educate yourself to understand what all the jargon means in practical terms. Thanks for your help!

MrPotatohead
Name: MrPotatohead
Who do you know with myeloma?: Me
When were you/they diagnosed?: March, 2015
Age at diagnosis: 65


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